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“Side Hustle” as a Sign of the Apocalypse

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Oh my fucking god.

Simple question. No need for profanity. Just seeking further clarification.

Yep me too.

Like, I'm genuinely interested in understanding what a better economic+political system than capitalism+liberal democracy would look like (as I totally agree that there is much that is seriously broken about the current one).

So I'd very much like to know about some examples of systems that rivalled or surpassed the capitalist democracies of the past 50-100 years for innovation.

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Where there is nuclear power, there is a nuclear bomb. Where there is air travel, there are hijackings. Where there are smartphones, there are intelligence agencies vacuuming up their data. Where there is easy access to your own financial information, there is easy access to other's financial information. Where there is instant access to the worlds information, there is instant access to easy marks for charlatans and…

People die on roads everyday. Should we stop using vehicles?

That's moving the goal post. My point is that as technology marches on, unintended consequences are right behind it. What will be the unintended consequence of drones? Or the power grid connected to the internet, or driverless cars? Just imagine if someone is able to spread a computer virus to driverless cars once they are ubiquitous. Recent history has shown us that the auto industry is laughably bad at computer security.

This is a bedrock principle of computer security: no useful system can be 100% secure, because then even the intended user would be kept out.

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I think we should cut this at the source. I never like taxing bad things where alternatives exist, let's just stop banks creating money. They should be intermediaries of funds not creators. https://bankunderground.co.uk/2015/06/30/banks-are-not-inter... I think it's not possible to stop land speculation so it should be taxed to pass the gains onto the people. As most money is issued against land let's have a land val…

Indeed. I imagine a system where all capital gains associated with land (not the structures on the land) outside of the real inflation rate were captured via capital gains tax.

No income tax and bankers are at the back of the queue in life because they add very little value.

Bring it on.

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I mean, in some sense you're right. The literal USD figure is determined that way. However, if you doubled the number of dollars in circulation, and so "doubled the cost" of every home... you've also changed nothing in terms of real cost to consumers. As you say, they're still working just as many hours on the job, still giving the same percentage of their labor to the lender, and they still end up with a house at th…

Nope. They change lending from 3 times primary income to way over 3 times household income. People are literally working longer for the same pile of bricks. The cost of carry remains associated with wages just as rent does because we have to pay more, however as the cost of other items falls (due to efficiency / progress) the bankers hoover up the rest. http://imgur.com/XS99m5v.jpg We work longer, we work harder, and…

Banks don't get to decide what people will pay, people get to decide what people pay. People make this decision in terms of real cost, not in terms of USD (since real cost determines their access to USD). People are not making that decision because the banks are putting a gun to people's heads and forcing them to pay more.

This is a separate point from real estate costs increasing historically -- that is caused by supply and demand. People are (as your graph nicely shows) choosing not to move as more people enter a given area, driving up the cost of real estate. This is to say that their demand is inelastic.

Unless you are suggesting banking as an industry is engaged in trust like behavior, they're not able to set the terms of rates in a way that will change their risk-free profit from a given individual at a given market price. If the price rises due to a supply and demand imbalance, they may be able to charge more to offset the increased risk of the purchase they are financing.

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Nope. They change lending from 3 times primary income to way over 3 times household income. People are literally working longer for the same pile of bricks. The cost of carry remains associated with wages just as rent does because we have to pay more, however as the cost of other items falls (due to efficiency / progress) the bankers hoover up the rest. http://imgur.com/XS99m5v.jpg We work longer, we work harder, and…

Banks don't get to decide what people will pay, people get to decide what people pay. People make this decision in terms of real cost, not in terms of USD (since real cost determines their access to USD). People are not making that decision because the banks are putting a gun to people's heads and forcing them to pay more. This is a separate point from real estate costs increasing historically -- that is caused by su…

Banks set the amount. If banks start lending $1MM to employees on the basic wage that is how much basic housing costs.

For example recently in the UK the govt said they would "help" buyers by contributing a certain % for buyers. Housing went up by that amount. Available credit sets prices.

This is a waste of my time, I'm out.

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post #144

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Banks don't get to decide what people will pay, people get to decide what people pay. People make this decision in terms of real cost, not in terms of USD (since real cost determines their access to USD). People are not making that decision because the banks are putting a gun to people's heads and forcing them to pay more. This is a separate point from real estate costs increasing historically -- that is caused by su…

Banks set the amount. If banks start lending $1MM to employees on the basic wage that is how much basic housing costs. For example recently in the UK the govt said they would "help" buyers by contributing a certain % for buyers. Housing went up by that amount. Available credit sets prices. This is a waste of my time, I'm out.

> Banks set the amount.

Banks can't magically choose to write loans at unprofitable terms. They also can't write loans at noncompetitive rates in any sort of realistic quantity. These two forces (fear of principal loss through nonpayment/default, and loss of customers due to competition) dictate bank rates.

> If banks start lending $1MM to employees on the basic wage that is how much basic housing costs.

No. It will only cost that much for people unwilling to move away from highly competitive markets where construction is barred. For those living in areas which can be developed, housing prices will also be dictated by the cost of construction, which is presumably less than $1MM. Buyers will be pocketing the difference between the available $1MM and the cost of construction. This is to say that banks do not dictate prices for housing, but rather are only (sometimes) enabling (fools?) to go higher in an auction.

If banks did set prices for housing, they would have to also be setting the price of, for example, construction. Which is not the case, as that is dictated by the supply and demand of labor and materials.

Put another way: I'm sure in wherever you are, not every housing option is the same price. Do you honestly believe that banks are somehow dictating those price differences? If not, what is that force, and does accounting for it also account for the effect of increased credit availability on house prices? (A: supply and demand, yes)

> recently in the UK the govt said they would "help" buyers by contributing a certain % for buyers. Housing went up by that amount.

Yes, just like if you give everyone a raise by x% you'll see housing jump by that amount. As I've said in this thread several times already. This jump does not, however, represent a change in real cost to consumers (a change in the what percentage of their labor is being spent on a given good). As I've also said in this thread several times already.

> This is a waste of my time, I'm out.

Cya.

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Most of the "mom-tech" could also be described as "nobility-tech", which allows the old services for the nobility to be bought at a fee. Anyway... > Mommy used to clean my room. A: Handy. > Mommy used to do my laundry. A: Flycleaners. You'd be surprised how desirable this is when you have Significant Life Issues and you don't want your home to be a disaster. While the "side hustle" being mandatory is not a good place…

Really? You have Significant Life Issues and you can't even manage to clean up your house or cook a meal? Do you really think you can organize your life when you can't even manage to organize your home or your own sustenance? What a joke. You don't need time, you need perspective.

> What a joke. You don't need time, you need perspective.

Your ignorant remark about me does you no credit.

Many situations exist where there is simply either no time or no energy. Musicians touring, hospitalizations, illnesses - the list is long and varied. It's often much simpler to pay someone else to take care of things.

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I'd like to see a Gig Economy Union myself. Sure I can hire an Uber, get my laundry handled, my shopping done, but I want to know the poor s.o.b. doing the work has benefits and a decent wage, and isn't being screwed over by the app-company-of-the-month.

> I'd like to see a Gig Economy Union myself. This is called "labor law". I'm personally looking forward to the IRS reaping its pound of flesh from Uber for contractor misclassification and the hundreds of millions of dollars in employer payroll back taxes and penalties that will be due.

I don't believe so; they are related though. A union can force enforcement of laws, or simply strike; a law has to be enforced. Many laws on the books are unenforced.

Generally, to be frank, I think the labor movement in the US is due for a revival and unions should take the lead in that.

It's in my mind that gig workers are properly neither contractors nor employees, as understood commonly (not legally - they can fall into either bucket legally, iirc). They deserve a spot in the law and protections thereof.

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