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Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by djsumdog »

nanistheonlyist wrote: post #132
clarkmoody wrote: post #122

One of the many reasons to oppose war. Others include: + Control of the economy, price controls, rationing, shortages + Suspension of most (all?) of the Bill of Rights + Wholesale slaughter of civilian populations abroad (so much for "all men are created equal ... with unalienable rights") But perhaps the most nefarious is the idea that "we all pulled together and sacrificed to defeat the enemy." The government schoo…

We did not choose war willingly, the japanese govt made the choice for us when they attacked pearl harbor.

After the US et. al. cut off fuel and oil trade. They don't teach you that part in school.

The saddest thing about WWII is that the people who started the war, by funding it, were never brought up on charges at Nuremberg. Prescott Bush and Standard Oil made millions off selling fuel to both sides. IBM made the punch-card based catalogue service for the Nazis. Henry Ford's company made tank treads for both allied and Nazi tanks and even built the rails leading to Auschwitz.

The reality is that there were entire industries that actively did everything they could to get that war going, in order to profit from it. People look at Hitler and forget that wars need to be funded.

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by [deleted] »

MaxfordAndSons wrote: post #101
akhilcacharya wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were disallowed from fighting in the Pacific theatre, so they all fought in Europe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment_(Unite... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Inouye#Medal_of_Honor_c...

Interesting to note, this went both ways: my grandfather was a naturalized German immigrant, and was sent to the Pacific when drafted because he was disallowed from fighting in Europe. But of course, for some reason, German Americans weren't interned...

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Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by sbierwagen »

altendo wrote: post #47

The recent speculation about a national registry for Muslims - and what that may look like - makes this even more poignant. The times may have changed, but fear and ignorance have not.

If you recall, we already had a Muslim registry, from 2002 to 2011: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Entry-Exit_R...

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by YPCrumble »

jlillyreed wrote: post #135
lomnakkus wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I must be missing something, but China is actually doing "bad things" now. The Japanese internment happened ~75 years ago. I like to think that the "West" has progressed since then. (That's not say that everything's just fine and dandy, but there is a clear difference between the West and, say, China today.)

> I like to think that the "West" has progressed since then. You might like to think so, but you'd be VERY VERY wrong. This year Trump surrogates began justifying their proposal to create a muslim registry by saying that the Japanese Internment gave precedence for their desired actions.

Aren't we still in political moratorium week? How does one flag a comment?

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by shawndumas »

djsumdog wrote: post #141
nanistheonlyist wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We did not choose war willingly, the japanese govt made the choice for us when they attacked pearl harbor.

After the US et. al. cut off fuel and oil trade. They don't teach you that part in school. The saddest thing about WWII is that the people who started the war, by funding it, were never brought up on charges at Nuremberg. Prescott Bush and Standard Oil made millions off selling fuel to both sides. IBM made the punch-card based catalogue service for the Nazis. Henry Ford's company made tank treads for both allied and…

Are you saying that Japan's decision to go to war over a hit to their oil supplies is reasonable and understandable?

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by chrishacken »

astrodust wrote: post #140
nanistheonlyist wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We did not choose war willingly, the japanese govt made the choice for us when they attacked pearl harbor.

Don't think the US didn't do everything it could to antagonize the enemy. Japan was repeatedly slapped in the face until it had no choice but to respond to protect its honour. I'm not saying what Japan did was in any way noble, but it was certainly far from unexpected. The US administration knew the war in Europe was a serious problem if left unchecked, that Britain and its allies would never prevail, but there was c…

> Japan was repeatedly slapped in the face until it had no choice but to respond to protect its honour.

Are you kidding me? So honor was their reason to start a war that eventually caused millions to die?

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by woofyman »

djsumdog wrote: post #141
nanistheonlyist wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We did not choose war willingly, the japanese govt made the choice for us when they attacked pearl harbor.

After the US et. al. cut off fuel and oil trade. They don't teach you that part in school. The saddest thing about WWII is that the people who started the war, by funding it, were never brought up on charges at Nuremberg. Prescott Bush and Standard Oil made millions off selling fuel to both sides. IBM made the punch-card based catalogue service for the Nazis. Henry Ford's company made tank treads for both allied and…

They cut off the oil exports to stop the Japanese war machine.

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by zepolud »

clarkmoody wrote: post #122

One of the many reasons to oppose war. Others include: + Control of the economy, price controls, rationing, shortages + Suspension of most (all?) of the Bill of Rights + Wholesale slaughter of civilian populations abroad (so much for "all men are created equal ... with unalienable rights") But perhaps the most nefarious is the idea that "we all pulled together and sacrificed to defeat the enemy." The government schoo…

What about the laws of thermodynamics, pretty oppressive if you ask me. Better oppose that too.

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

djsumdog wrote: post #141
nanistheonlyist wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We did not choose war willingly, the japanese govt made the choice for us when they attacked pearl harbor.

After the US et. al. cut off fuel and oil trade. They don't teach you that part in school. The saddest thing about WWII is that the people who started the war, by funding it, were never brought up on charges at Nuremberg. Prescott Bush and Standard Oil made millions off selling fuel to both sides. IBM made the punch-card based catalogue service for the Nazis. Henry Ford's company made tank treads for both allied and…

The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour was a strategic preëmptive strike, because they knew the US would come after their empire at some point.

I don't think Japanese imperialism can really be defended.

Of course, Japanese imperialism was very much inspired by European imperialism in… well, everything. But that doesn't make it right either, merely just as bad.

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

nanistheonlyist wrote: post #132
clarkmoody wrote: post #122

One of the many reasons to oppose war. Others include: + Control of the economy, price controls, rationing, shortages + Suspension of most (all?) of the Bill of Rights + Wholesale slaughter of civilian populations abroad (so much for "all men are created equal ... with unalienable rights") But perhaps the most nefarious is the idea that "we all pulled together and sacrificed to defeat the enemy." The government schoo…

We did not choose war willingly, the japanese govt made the choice for us when they attacked pearl harbor.

Major General Smedley Butler, in 1935:

"At each session of Congress the question of further naval appropriations comes up. The swivel-chair admirals of Washington (and there are always a lot of them) are very adroit lobbyists. And they are smart. They don't shout that "We need a lot of battleships to war on this nation or that nation." Oh no. First of all, they let it be known that America is menaced by a great naval power. Almost any day, these admirals will tell you, the great fleet of this supposed enemy will strike suddenly and annihilate 125,000,000 people. Just like that. Then they begin to cry for a larger navy. For what? To fight the enemy? Oh my, no. Oh, no. For defense purposes only.

Then, incidentally, they announce maneuvers in the Pacific. For defense. Uh, huh.

The Pacific is a great big ocean. We have a tremendous coastline on the Pacific. Will the maneuvers be off the coast, two or three hundred miles? Oh, no. The maneuvers will be two thousand, yes, perhaps even thirty-five hundred miles, off the coast.

The Japanese, a proud people, of course will be pleased beyond expression to see the united States fleet so close to Nippon's shores. Even as pleased as would be the residents of California were they to dimly discern through the morning mist, the Japanese fleet playing at war games off Los Angeles. "

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