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Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops

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Post by dang » Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 5:41 PM UTC

saiya-jin wrote: post #31

scandox wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think by removing the word "monkey" you have opened yourself up to a charge of inaccuracy. After all, I'm going to hazard a guess that this is not true of all males of all species. Now some cynical people might think that you removed the word monkey in order to map this research onto humans, in order to make a point. While I'm sure that's not the case, I think it's worthwhile to recall many other evolved qualities…

you don't get this joke, do you (yes, it's mostly for guys but not only, and no it's not completely hypothetical)

Please don't post like this here. There's no information or substance about it—just flame fodder. We don't want that on HN.

Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops

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Post by dang » Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 5:43 PM UTC

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #60

A dry and innocuous statement but ever so offensive to some. Love it!

Please don't post like this here. It may sound and feel clever, but its actual effect is to make a shitty flamewar even shittier.

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Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops

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Post by dang » Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 5:46 PM UTC

dcacaac wrote: post #124

And I am also 75j. My 75j account is getting a 'You're submitting too fast' message, so I'm doing all this on Tor. If you can't see the message from '75j__throwaway' that I posted initially to explain this, change your showdead setting to 'yes'. If you need any more proof that I'm not Danielle, then I'll do what I can. But you're wrong, and a bit of a prick. EDIT: Here it is actually, the message that I posted as '75…

We've banned this account. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13024152 and please stop filling HN threads with dross.

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Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops

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Post by dang » Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 5:50 PM UTC

DanielleMolloy wrote: post #17

And this is the current top comment. Welcome to Hacker News. (my reply gets MRA-downvoted in 3.. 2.. 1..)

Yes, it was a bad comment with predictable effects. Still, breaking the site guidelines further is not a good way to reply. This comment (and others you posted) broke the site guidelines by being unsubstantive, calling names, complaining about downvoting, and baiting users into downvoting you. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Any large, optionally anonymous forum such as HN will include comments that hit any reader unpleasantly (it certainly does me) as well as genuinely nasty stuff. Any trend that exists in society at large is going to show up here. Or rather, societies, since many participate and their values don't all agree. That is a major factor here and perhaps the least understood.

If you generalize about HN based on the worst that stands out, in effect you contribute to worsening it, since it contributes to a view of the site as dominated by the long tail of shit, when this is not true. What's true is that HN is divided on controversial issues, just like the rest of the world is. But the vast majority of the userbase is here for civil, substantive discussion and hates this sort of trainwreck as much as you do and we do.

It takes time for the system to correct itself: flamewars flare up, and abusive commments pile up, very quickly. The counterweights—downvotes and flags by thoughtful users, and moderator intervention—take longer. There's not much we can do about this time discrepancy, because reflexive behaviors are always quicker than reflective ones.

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Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops

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Post by jbmorgado » Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 6:02 PM UTC

ainiriand wrote: post #89

da1 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True but the vast majority of protein intake was provided by males. They also performed the most dangerous activities because women are reproductively far more "valuable".

You are implying that we mostly evolved eating meat, which is wrong. We evolved being omnivores and we ate everything we could get, mussels, large insects, fruit, tubercules... Make no mistake, humans were hunters but that was only one part of the picture.

I think you are mixing two different (although very related) terms.

We did evolve by eating meat. The archeological and even biological evidence for that is quite strong. Eating meat (more specifically fish) allowed for the necessary proteins for brain increase.

But we seem to have evolved to eat as much as possible, thereby, we evolved to be omnivorous.

The difference here is between by what diet we did evolve and to what diet we evolved to. But the by part is purely biological in nature, the to part is also a sociologic one, since it depends, amongst other factors, on the use of fire to cook.

Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops

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Post by da1 » Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 6:03 PM UTC

midgetjones wrote: post #106

da1 wrote: post #87

> I've been on HN like 8 years curious because your profile says > created: 16 days ago Thank you for confirming you are using a sock-puppet account! (Edit: While apparently using your main account to down-vote. Classy!)

'Apparently' how? Because you're being downvoted? I doubt, even if it is a sockpuppet account (which incidentally has amassed four times the karma you have), that they are the only one downvoting you.

Because after one of his comments, in a matter of less than one minute, I got 9 down-votes in every single comment, even in totally unrelated threads.

All the comments that were still possible to down-vote were down-voted but only a single time.

Plus he explicitly admitted to using sock-puppets to circumvent posting throttle.

Edit: So he made a script. Every new comment I make is immediately down-voted.

Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops

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Post by da1 » Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 6:12 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #137

da1 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In another comment he claims he's been in HN for eight years but this account is like 16 days old. It is a sock-puppet account.

That's a personal attack as well, and you've posted many other comments that break the HN guidelines. We ban users who do that, so please clean up your act.

He has admitted that it's a sock-puppet account.

He stated himself that he has created dozens of accounts and that uses them to post even when his accounts are throttled due to down-voting.

How is stating a fact a personal attack?

Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops

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Post by dang » Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 6:15 PM UTC

da1 wrote: post #147

dang wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a personal attack as well, and you've posted many other comments that break the HN guidelines. We ban users who do that, so please clean up your act.

He has admitted that it's a sock-puppet account. He stated himself that he has created dozens of accounts and that uses them to post even when his accounts are throttled due to down-voting. How is stating a fact a personal attack?

> How is stating a fact a

This is a trope of the serial troll. If you don't want to be banned from HN for trolling, please communicate in better faith.

I don't believe 75j is a sock-puppet account. I think it's the primary account that user is currently using. They need to do a better job of following the site guidelines, and I've chided them about that in this thread, but it doesn't mean that what you've done is ok. Your vendetta is not only uncivil to a fellow user you're tweaking the nose of, but is the worst sort of procedural droning-on. No more of this, please, starting now.

Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops

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Post by dang » Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 6:22 PM UTC

da1 wrote: post #87

> I've been on HN like 8 years curious because your profile says > created: 16 days ago Thank you for confirming you are using a sock-puppet account! (Edit: While apparently using your main account to down-vote. Classy!)

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Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops

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Post by da1 » Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 6:24 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #148

da1 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He has admitted that it's a sock-puppet account. He stated himself that he has created dozens of accounts and that uses them to post even when his accounts are throttled due to down-voting. How is stating a fact a personal attack?

> How is stating a fact a This is a trope of the serial troll. If you don't want to be banned from HN for trolling, please communicate in better faith. I don't believe 75j is a sock-puppet account. I think it's the primary account that user is currently using. They need to do a better job of following the site guidelines, and I've chided them about that in this thread, but it doesn't mean that what you've done is ok.…

>> How is stating a fact a

> This is a trope of the serial troll.

Stating admissions of fact is trolling. Gorgeous. Such intellectual honesty.

He admitted he uses batches of accounts to circumvent throttling due to down-voting.

Please ban my account! I won't be coming back anyway.

I have no interest in dealing with moderators that value beliefs ("I don't believe 75j is a sock-puppet account", "I think it's the primary account that user is currently using") over facts.

Bye.