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Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by oridecon »

drdaeman wrote: post #138
rasz_pl wrote: post #119

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gamers vocal? they are sheep, they accepted mouse drivers calling home to the mothership before (only complain was a bug causing mouse jerkiness when connection goes offline).

It's probably off-topic but I'm still curious... Which vendor's drivers that was?

Razer (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/why-the-hell-does-thi...)

I know Logitech's software also makes network calls but I never bothered looking what it is, I just block everything. At least it doesn't ask for a login, it can save locally or in the on-board memory.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by Fej »

rocqua wrote: post #130
ronjouch wrote: post #16

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So annoying, yes. I since uninstalled GeForce Experience and replaced update notifications (the only feature I was using) with this ugly batch script. Careful, it's ugly! Botched stackoverflow-oriented batch brogramming! But it works for me! Feel free to reuse and improve :) @ECHO OFF setLocal EnableDelayedExpansion rem nvup.bat, a quick & dirty driver downloader since GeForce Experience requires a login. rem In a fo…

Sadly, that doesn't allow use of shadowplay. There are some older versions of nvidea experience floating around that still work with shadowplay without the login.

Use OBS instead.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by shmerl »

squarefoot wrote: post #10
EpicEng wrote: post #5

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Why, exactly?

Some background. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpOyKCNZYw Shouldn't be a problem anymore under Linux as most distros today install Nouveau drivers by default. https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/

Nouveau has no reclocking, so it's practically useless as is. If you want a working open driver - use AMD.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by andybak »

I'm not bothered about the privacy so much as the bloat (or rather - I trust that those more vigilant than me will warn me if the privacy issues are more than theoretical - lazy I know).

The bloat is endemic to hardware companies. Is there some law of nature that says if you primarily build peripherals then you write terrible software?

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by proactivesvcs »

If I find any software defaulting to opt me in, without asking, it gets turned off and stays off. If it asks, I almost always permit it. When I have customers ask me about the same (when prompted by their software) they tend to agree with my thinking.

There is an exception though - since Windows 10's enforced telemetry, I have turned off all of the telemetry for all of their software across the board. Until they start to conduct themselves respectably again, they can do without my drop in their ocean.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by dogma1138 »

blub wrote: post #114
Karunamon wrote: post #101

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When using "people" in aggregate, this is a completely correct statement . It's why, for example, HN throws a fit[1] the moment a developer goes so far as to add anonymous google analytics to a package manager [2] even when that data couldn't possibly be used to harm them or track them in any way. If you make $thing opt in, most people will not do $thing, regardless of what $thing is. Defaults matter. [1]: https://ne…

Google analytics. Anonymous. Couldn't possibly be used to track them. You've either missed the last decade of privacy-related discussions or you're playing for team spyware yourself. Companies like Google have billions, lawyers lobbyists, sociologists and every bloody specialist working for them to suck all information out of everybody and there's always some clueless person jumping to their defense with some pointle…

It's not about missing the privacy discussion it's about the public at large not giving a flying duck about it, regardless of what you think.

Pick a random person on the street and ask them, you need to understand that by enlarge simply by knowing about this site you are already part of a tiny subculture of of the general population, and most likely living in a walled garden as far as your social connections goes.

People don't opt in, but they don't care about their privacy just look at the amount of people that would sign up for a mailing list/club benefits at a store they'll only visit maybe once in their life for a 5-10$ worth of discount that they'll never lose - for that they'll be willing to give up a whole lot more of personal information that GA or NVIDIA GFE collects.

This doesn't excuses the practices, it's just the reality we live in.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by EugeneOZ »

random_rr wrote: post #62
brink wrote: post #6

On a related note; I can't even use NVidia's "Geforce Experience" any more without logging in. Thanks for that, NVidia. Just what I wanted; a driver tool that forces me to log in.

Holy moly, I thought that this post was a joke for sure - and then I checked out GeForce Experience. Uninstalled. Never to be reinstalled. AMD will be my next card. Thanks nVidia for letting me know what you think of me :)

What model of AMD can replace GTX 1080?

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by michaelt »

Namrog84 wrote: post #117
michaelt wrote: post #112

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And that gives you a bit more courage to release things early because you'll see problems faster and can fix them. I gotta say, if the major benefit of telemetry is that vendors can test less before they release, that sounds like a bad thing not a good thing for users?

Bad for few users. But great for most. Testing less means they can release sooner. Here is a bad example. New game comes out. Graphical driver glitch crash. Typically would take 2 weeks to get to public as whole. Now with this they can release in 2 days to 10% fix up and release to whole by end of first week. So 90% of population got a fix sooner(1 week) And some percentage of the 10% may have had some annoyances. Su…

Here's a different example: A new driver improves game performance for 99.9% of customers, and disables graphics output for 0.1% of customers. The bug could have been caught with a few days of automated testing in a test lab with lots of different cards and system configurations, but that's slow and costs a lot of money to maintain - chucking it over the wall to consumers is quicker and cheaper.

Seems to me getting the poorly tested drivers earlier isn't much of a deal for users. After all, just because I'm in the 99.9% this week, doesn't mean I will be next week.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by floopidydoopidy »

proactivesvcs wrote: post #145

If I find any software defaulting to opt me in, without asking, it gets turned off and stays off. If it asks, I almost always permit it. When I have customers ask me about the same (when prompted by their software) they tend to agree with my thinking. There is an exception though - since Windows 10's enforced telemetry, I have turned off all of the telemetry for all of their software across the board. Until they star…

Go a step further and abandon their platform. Don't financially support their behavior. Convince your clients to do the same.
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