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A Study of 4chan’s Politically Incorrect Forum and its Effect on the Web

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But we could apply the reverse Sturgeon's law: in any sufficiently large community, 1% of content will not be crap. 4chan is not special, it's just large.

Facebook is my counter example. Its the biggest social media site on the internet. Produces nothing that gets reified in the form of internet culture.

magicman, academia should study why Facebook is a sterile wasteland

4chan, Reddit and HN are Internet natives.

Facebook and Twitter are fucking tourists.

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>Not that 4chan cares about these things. They just want to see people blown up. You understand 4chan isn't a single hive mind right? Each board has its own culture, and even moreso: each general thread has it own subculture. /sg/ (Syria General) is one of the best place to get data on the Syrian civil war. The folks there aggregate data from a massive set of sources and include people who actually live in Syria or c…

The problem with communities, online and otherwise, is they develop a certain prevailing attitude. These can either be weak (e.g. Reddit, 4chan) or strong (e.g. /r/The_Donald, /pol/) depending on how you delineate these. You can make a case that /sg/ is a good source of news, but it's part of 4chan. I'd rather follow individuals doing reporting on something more neutral like Twitter.

pol has a general stance towards the war in syria: america needs to GTFO it and let russia and syria deal with it (this stance predated Trump's). The rebels, and whom they are, are seen just as rebels. /sg/ is pro-assad. The fact this 'bias' exist doesn't mean it isn't a good source of information. Many neural parties quote something known as the Syrian human rights observatory, or participate/gain information from networks of dissemination more aligned to western narratives of the war, information that cannot be de-intermediated from those who pass them along. /sg/ is not aligned to that narrative.

Astrodust, I think your understanding of politics and journalism is naive and one that deserves a thorough rehabilitation through a deep deep engagement with pol.

/sg/ teaches anyone who dare engages with it that information, collection, dissemination, acting upon it, appreciating it, comes from collective intentions (not attitudes, reddit cultivates attitudes; 4chan cultivates intentions, the dynamic of the whole raiding culture, the whole you must do to participate instead of merely like/solicit likes aspect) and, if you become acquainted with pol, you will learn viscerally what collective intentions look like, you will see it elsewhere.

Reddit is for the cuck, it is a circle jerk. the lack of identification, liking mechanism, and the culture of anonymity makes it less about affirming attitudes and more about intentions and the lack of moderation on chans is why/how intentions compete.

to repeat: intentions vs attitudes. narratives vs bias.

the differences between these concepts become incredibly illuminated if you engage with pol.

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This paper was shared on /pol/, here's a link to the (archived) thread if you're interested in reading the responses. http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/92760043/

Some of the replies to the thread show mistakes in the paper. For example, Zimbabwe is marked as very active and very hateful. But it's probably just people with a VPN: doing that to get a "controversial" or "funny" country flag is a thing.

Zimbabwe was known as South Rhodesia. South Rhodesia, to pol, is very significant culturally.

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If you are in the US, keep in mind that those countries are in distant timezones. Because 4chan threads are so ephemeral, they could have entire threads to themselves while you are asleep and you wouldn't notice.

I'm in India at the moment, but I have lived in other timezones too. I must add that I'm not a regular there. I only go there when some promiment thread makes the nwes... like Tay, or Operation Google, or this. Other than that, my source for 4chan stuff is /r/4chan.

Does the poo in the loo deter indian originating posters?

Re: A Study of 4chan’s Politically Incorrect Forum and its Effect on the Web

#145

I don't like to be mean but I honestly don't see /pol/ has a big influence in the election or politics like some commentors have stated. First, most of the action /pol/ does outside of their board is mostly on Twitter and various open polls. I've never seen /pol/ do anything close to real life action. Not a single event or protest IRL. Not even a letter writing campaign. Just posting image macros. It's all in good fu…

Richard Spencer once said that politics to culture is mist to a lake. You cannot have politics without having culture. IRL actions are not gonna do squat (see: ows, arab spring) without cultural shifts. What pol is doing is more insidious in effect: it is shifting the culture that will enable the politics. If 4chan reach in memes is wide, as internet history has shown, and if the memes from pol become sentiments embraced by others outside of it, pol is creating the lake for whatever mist.

To change politics, it requires a cultural change. Tumblr is another place on the internet that is a space for cultural change, albeit the opposite kind.

Re: A Study of 4chan’s Politically Incorrect Forum and its Effect on the Web

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Not forgetting 4chan's evil twin brother 8chan:

https://8ch.net/pol/index.html

And for more chans, look no further than:

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/List_of_chans

Whilst I appreciate 4chan was the original chan that started all the other chans off, people often forget the alternatives. A common complaint of the alternative chans is that 4chan has become too conservative and is too heavily moderated. Does anyone agree?

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The problem with communities, online and otherwise, is they develop a certain prevailing attitude. These can either be weak (e.g. Reddit, 4chan) or strong (e.g. /r/The_Donald, /pol/) depending on how you delineate these. You can make a case that /sg/ is a good source of news, but it's part of 4chan. I'd rather follow individuals doing reporting on something more neutral like Twitter.

pol has a general stance towards the war in syria: america needs to GTFO it and let russia and syria deal with it (this stance predated Trump's). The rebels, and whom they are, are seen just as rebels. /sg/ is pro-assad. The fact this 'bias' exist doesn't mean it isn't a good source of information. Many neural parties quote something known as the Syrian human rights observatory, or participate/gain information from n…

If this is some hack-ass pitch for /pol/ and how great it is, you're failing. If there's anyone there that knows what they're doing, they're drowned out in a sea of idiots.

Plus, if you're going to play the "cuck" card, this conversation is over. I'm so tired of that shit.

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Facebook is my counter example. Its the biggest social media site on the internet. Produces nothing that gets reified in the form of internet culture.

magicman, academia should study why Facebook is a sterile wasteland 4chan, Reddit and HN are Internet natives. Facebook and Twitter are fucking tourists.

Facebook is what mainstream compares 4chan to. A nice safe sterile place. Good for family values and advertising.

Re: A Study of 4chan’s Politically Incorrect Forum and its Effect on the Web

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

pol has a general stance towards the war in syria: america needs to GTFO it and let russia and syria deal with it (this stance predated Trump's). The rebels, and whom they are, are seen just as rebels. /sg/ is pro-assad. The fact this 'bias' exist doesn't mean it isn't a good source of information. Many neural parties quote something known as the Syrian human rights observatory, or participate/gain information from n…

If this is some hack-ass pitch for /pol/ and how great it is, you're failing. If there's anyone there that knows what they're doing, they're drowned out in a sea of idiots. Plus, if you're going to play the "cuck" card, this conversation is over. I'm so tired of that shit.

>so tired of that shit >ugh, why am i cuck >screw this person's points, he thinks I am a cuck therefore his points are invalid >ugh pol makes me resent myself

ok big boi

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