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Re: RethinkDB is shutting down

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Post by desireco42 »

coffeemug wrote: post #102
heyts wrote: post #92

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As a user and supporter of RethinkDB I hope (and expect!) that the engineering team joining Stripe is a sign that Stripe will be able to take part in further development of the product. On a sidenote, for people unfamiliar with RethinkDB, this episode of The Changelog with Slava explains some of the history and choices behind RethinkDB ; I found it really interesting. https://changelog.com/114/

Slava @ Rethink here. The team at Stripe has been absolutely phenomenal throughout this process, they've gone above and beyond in finding high-impact projects for our team. We're brainstorming together how to transition RethinkDB to a self-sustaining open-source project, and Stripe is super-supportive of that too. If there is a way for RethinkDB to live on, we'll find it!

I can't describe how sad I am over this. RethinkDB is not just excellent db, but it is yardstick on how future db's should look like. What you accomplished there is excellent balance on features, great ui. We really need this project to go on, even if slower.

Re: RethinkDB is shutting down

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Post by threeseed »

tshannon wrote: post #137
threeseed wrote: post #68

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They largely did with version 3.0 when they switched to Wiredtiger. https://objectrocket.com/blog/company/mongodb-wiredtiger It's made a massive difference to performance and stability.

Sounds like it hasn't helped with consistency https://aphyr.com/posts/322-jepsen-mongodb-stale-reads

No a storage engine change doesn't help with consistency.

This is the JIRA tracking that Jepsen stale read issue: https://jira.mongodb.org/browse/SERVER-17975

Re: RethinkDB is shutting down

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Post by manigandham »

geofft wrote: post #91
hueving wrote: post #88

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Non profit companies still need to make money to keep the lights on. That means targeting technologies that can attract lots of donations. Databases are a very mature technology so the number of companies running into issues with them is vanishingly small. Who is going to donate to a non profit spending its time developing a solution a problem almost nobody has?

I don't know, I feel like lots of people donate to universities to spend their times solving problems that almost nobody has. Or maybe they don't, but somehow that money still exists. How does that work? Why are we assuming that everything has to be done by companies? What if we establish a National Science Foundation for fundamental CS research?

Universities are still businesses. Grants, tuition, other fees, donations, endowments, etc all generate plenty of cash.

Re: RethinkDB is shutting down

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Post by sotojuan »

ronreiter wrote: post #96

If RethinkDB is really better than Mongo then where is the blog post about it? Where are all the scaffolding tools? The examples? I have only heard of Rethink because I read HN every day. But no one knows about it. That is obviously the reason it failed - bad marketing.

It sucks because the Rethink site is well designed, they have a good brand design and mascot, the docs are great, and the team is (was?) open and responsive. They talked at conferences, did podcasts, etc. A little bit of sales work and marketing would've gone a long way.

Of course, it's hard to be profitable at NoSQL after Mongo either got all the hype years before or turned people off the concept entirely.

Re: RethinkDB is shutting down

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Post by nodesocket »

pc wrote: post #48

RethinkDB is one of the developer tools that we at Stripe most looked up to.[1] The team had so many good ideas and rigorous, creative thoughts around what a database could be and how it should work. I'm really bummed that it didn't work out for them and have enormous respect for the tenacity of their effort. I'm also excited to have them join us here at Stripe. As we've gotten to know Mike, Slava, and the other Reth…

Patrick, I am curious why Stripe didn't just acquire RethinkDB completely? Seems like you could have gotten a bargain. Their investors get some money back, you'd get their excellent intellectual property, and finally the entire functioning RethinkDB team joins Stripe. Win-win right?

Re: RethinkDB is shutting down

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Post by hendzen »

jarcoal wrote: post #136
ronreiter wrote: post #98

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Not sales. Marketing. In today's world having someone push a new database for a hefty price is not going to work. I would need to be able to test it against mongo and decide myself that it is better... but how would I know it's even an option?

The marketing strategy was the product itself, given that it was free, as well as the open development process. And I do think that strategy was working to some degree; at least on channels like HN where we frequently saw posts related to RethinkDB.

The people that use HN aren't the people that sign checks for enterprise support contracts.

Guess what - database vendors like Oracle, MongoDB (to a much smaller extent) that get a bad rep on HN actually sign deals for real money.

Re: RethinkDB is shutting down

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Post by [deleted] »

threeseed wrote: post #76
colemickens wrote: post #31

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>MongoDB is like the Microsoft of operating systems. I'm not a Windows fan, but that's harsh. http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2015/07/19/why-you-should-ne...

That post is utter garbage. Seriously. Most of the the points are for issues that were fixed years ago and then you get classics like "forces the poor habit of implicit schemas in nearly all usecases" as if some developer is going to somehow stumble on the fact is it a schemaless database. It's like trying to say "Linux is shit" because of issues found in 1.0 of the kernel.

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