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Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone

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Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone

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My Nexus 4 from several years back keeps getting timely updates. And still works pretty well.

My Nexus 6 from only a couple of years back however doesn't have Nougat and doesn't look like it's going to. It still work great though.

Android N is coming to the Nexus 6 today or tomorrow!

Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone

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> Burke says the company will eventually be able to ship its own custom “silicon,” a buzzword for customized processors that make devices work better. Silicon is not a buzzword. It is the element with which the processors are built. Perhaps it's colloquial or jargonistic to refer to processors as silicon, but it's not a buzzword.

Since we are being pedantic, how would you separate 'jargonistic' usage from a buzzword.

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So will it come with non-removable carrier crapware or not? That's the main selling point of the iphone for me.

nexus phones never did AFAIK

I've had the 4, 5, and currently the 5X. Never had any crapware, always got updates within a week or so of releases. Insofar as I'm aware it's totally stock.

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>(which it won't be, because Apple SoCs are at least a generation ahead of everyone else) Can anyone confirm if this is true? I thought the general advantage for i[a-zA-Z0-9]\+ is a well defined small N number of targets, which allow great optimization. Generally, the parts on apple things are a bit older than the competition but they pull off more (at least in user's eyes) compared with Android due to that optimizat…

Recently, Apple has been about a year ahead. Compare the A9 (which shipped in the 6s in fall 2015) with the Snapdragon 810 (which shipped in the Nexus 6p at the same time). http://www.anandtech.com/show/9837/snapdragon-820-preview/2 http://www.anandtech.com/show/9686/the-apple-iphone-6s-and-i... . Heck, in many cases the A9 leaves the Snapdragon 820 behind, and that hasn't even shipped in a Nexus phone yet (the Pixel…

The A10 smokes it even worse. The best Android phones are competitive in multi-core performance only because they have 2x many cores as Apple.

Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone

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And yet not a single hard detail in the article as to why the headline might be true. For going on ten years we've seen the "iPhone killers" come and go, and this article does nothing to tell me why this time it will be different. Perhaps because it won't be. Of what very few details the article outlines, they just go on about nifty hardware. Have we not learned by now that cool hardware still sucks when hamstrung by…

>Now, Google is no Samsung, but they're a long way from Apple or even Microsoft on the UX front. Not sure I agree with this. I've been on android for a while, so I'm sure I'm biased, but stock AOSP Android is pretty much perfect for me. Very minimal and aesthetically beautiful, but still powerful and customizable.

I was a windows phone user for a long time currently switched to android.I checked quite few android devices and I think Windows phone has better feel and usability for apps like messages, dialer,recent call list,app list etc.I have never used a nexus device though.how is stock Android's basic apps like messages, dialer etc? Do we need to install apps to get basic features like nice threaded views, message search,recent call list which shows duration or simple call history search(instead of searching entire address book) etc?

Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone

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So will it come with non-removable carrier crapware or not? That's the main selling point of the iphone for me.

Carrier crapware? I guess possibly if you decide to buy yours from the Verizon store. Still, I'm not sure why you'd get it there instead of ordering online straight from Google (unless you can only get one that works on VZW from the Verizon store).

Interestingly, on the order page they don't even ask you what carrier you're on. When I've ordered iPhones from Apple they usually ask if you want the Verizon model, the AT&T model, the Sprint model or the TMo/unlocked model.

Wonder if this means it's finally a non-issue and if so, why they didn't bring this up in the keynote as it's at least as much of a perk as some of the other techie details they mentioned.

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With the trend of bigger smartphones I'm really surprised by the sizes of 5" and 5.5".

The ideal size: between 4.5" - 4.7"

Depends how big your hands are. I have a 5.0" inch and can use the whole screen no problem one handed no problem. 4.5-4.7" would exclusively be a downgrade for me.

Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone

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Iphones are released at pretty much the same clip as Nexus devices, so I don't understand that particular complaint.

iPhones receive OS updates for like 4 years after release where as most Android phones seem to be forgotten as soon as the next model comes out. As an Android user, this is one thing that I have to admit Apple wins at. Not to mention the fact that Google seems to have a habit of deprecating their own apps for seemingly no apparent reason.

I've owned iDevices, and they have this curious ability to 'age' themselves into the dumpster after two years of iOS updates. The latest iOS versions run incredibly slow (or not at all) on older devices and you are left with something you can't even flash a custom ROM on.

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> I've been on android for a while, so I'm sure I'm biased, but stock AOSP Android is pretty much perfect for me. Very minimal and aesthetically beautiful, but still powerful and customizable. You can get AOSP on a lot of phones, you just have to be comfortable flashing a custom ROM. I don't understand why anyone would pay iPhone prices for an Android phone. Even if the hardware quality is similar (which it won't be,…

>(which it won't be, because Apple SoCs are at least a generation ahead of everyone else) Can anyone confirm if this is true? I thought the general advantage for i[a-zA-Z0-9]\+ is a well defined small N number of targets, which allow great optimization. Generally, the parts on apple things are a bit older than the competition but they pull off more (at least in user's eyes) compared with Android due to that optimizat…

You can wait for the AnandTech iPhone 7/A10 review, but the rough consensus is that it's around 40% faster than A9, and the A9 is about as fast as the fastest Snapdragons (http://www.anandtech.com/show/9686/the-apple-iphone-6s-and-i...).

> the parts on apple things are a bit older than the competition

Not sure where you got that impression, maybe you're thinking about Apple's laptops? Apple get the best and the latest from TSMC, which at the moment is 16nm finfet and next year expected to be 10nm finfet. Intel is the only company with a better process, and they don't make smartphone SoCs. And Apple has hired all the best Austin-based talent for their design team, poaching AMD and others heavily.

Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone

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And yet not a single hard detail in the article as to why the headline might be true. For going on ten years we've seen the "iPhone killers" come and go, and this article does nothing to tell me why this time it will be different. Perhaps because it won't be. Of what very few details the article outlines, they just go on about nifty hardware. Have we not learned by now that cool hardware still sucks when hamstrung by…

Given that we all know headlines are made for clicking, I think it's pretty clear why this time is very different vs the previous 10 years: "He notes that the company is now managing inventory, building relationships with carriers, sourcing components, making supply chain deals and managing distribution. Google is even making accessories, including cases and cables." This article isn't about the technical approach, i…

It's different, but it doesn't mean it's an iPhone killer.

MS started making their own hardware and it certainly helped push the market but the Sufarce never turned into the 'iPad killer' that tons of sites decided to declare it.

It's a new Android phone, Google was heavily involved (more than the Nexus line). That's it. That's not bad, but it doesn't automatically make something an X killer.

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