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Re: Haiku Project

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It's a general-purpose OS. Do whatever you normally do on it. More importantly, it's a learning tool. It's been part of many courses and many rounds of Google Summer of Code. It's an embeddable kernel + OS free of the cancerous GPL, under a permissive MIT licence. It is extremely well documented, well tested, and consistent. Writing drivers for it is very simple. This makes it interesting for education, for-profit de…

Just because you don't like a licenses obligations does not make the license cancerous. People that call it cancerous are doing that only because they want to get peoples work and do not want to give back any work they do on the GPL'd software or the software that uses the GPL'd code. The agency I used to work at didn't mind using GPL'd software at all, because with one or two exceptions the agency did not distribute…

> Just because you don't like a licenses obligations does not make the license cancerous.

Considering that I often hear GPL (and other copyleft licenses) described by its proponents as a virus, I don't think the disease metaphor is out of the question. The whole idea is that to maintain license compatibility in derivative works you need to propagate the license.

I don't feel strongly about copyleft, though I generally don't use it for my own works.

Re: Haiku Project

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Yes, that's arguably when they started to be in the same market.

Apple Computers still settled out of court several times before then though. As early as '78 Apple Corp (the music label) sued Apple Computers with the computer company settling in the early 80s. So the disputes have been going on longer than Apples expansion into the iTunes et al.

Sure, but if you look at the trademark claims that were made, they were all based on some kind of sound/music-related activity (aside from the first set of claims, I don't know enough detail about the claims that started the case in 1978 and haven't been able to find much in the way of substantial detail online). Even if some of the claims were a bit of a stretch, it appears that the trademark claims relied on establishing that the companies had overlapping interests. It's probably harder for companies that produce general purpose hardware/software to defend themselves against these claims (compared to companies/products with a narrower focus), as there are more angles for lawyers to use to try to link them with other companies.

On a completely anecdotal level, I have some friends who were contacted by a big technology company as their coffee shop had the same name as one of their products. Once it was clear they weren't competitors, I don't believe this technology company contacted them again. This was further evidence to me that trademarks are not universal in scope.

Re: Haiku Project

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There used to be an OS X editor called Pepper that was basically PE for OS X. I don't think it's still around. I can't find it except in very old references. There is Eddie [1], which is based on a BeOS editor and is written by a former Be employee. He's very responsive to feedback. I worked with him in improving its LaTeX support. [1] http://www.el34.com

While I'm not positive (maybe he'll return and post a yes/no), I seem to recall that Pepper's source code was bought by a guy named Jason Slack, presumably the fellow you're responding to. It was my first editor when I went back to OS X myself, although I confess I grew irritated both with it and with the attitude of its (original, pre-Jason) developer, who always seemed to have a chip on his shoulder about, well, ev…

I own Pepper :-)

I know that when Maarten was developing it there was some attitude, as you say. I think Maarten really wanted to succeed and make the best editor out there. Pepper was amazing, thus why I bought the source. Maarten is a fantastic person. We still e-mail periodically. Being a one man indie-dev is hard. Especially when you support many platforms. I think it just got to be to much.

This is partially the reason I stopped development too. 200+ e-mails a day, sales were ok but not enough to quit my job or pay anyone, sales through PayPal and Kagi turning up with stolen credit cards and Paypal and Kagi taking money back from me.

I still use Pepper daily and add new features. I could surely give Sublime and Atom a run for their money. Pepper does a lot more than it used to and you can even write plugins to enhance it.

Re: Haiku Project

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While I'm not positive (maybe he'll return and post a yes/no), I seem to recall that Pepper's source code was bought by a guy named Jason Slack, presumably the fellow you're responding to. It was my first editor when I went back to OS X myself, although I confess I grew irritated both with it and with the attitude of its (original, pre-Jason) developer, who always seemed to have a chip on his shoulder about, well, ev…

I tried Pepper back then and found the same issues you had. In the end, I usually end up with BBEdit. It's fast, the developers are responsive and keep it up to date and it handles the languages I'm interested in fairly well (but they could be better). I keep Atom up to date and I've been looking at VS Code, but both are kind of slow. I have a TextMate license, but I stopped using it after the continued delays on 2.0…

Eddie is written by Pavel Chisler(?). I don't know him, but I hear is a great developer.

Re: Haiku Project

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Essentially, it doesn't matter what mechanism generates the signals except when it came down to me wanting to play with Linux twenty years ago and a company decided to release a product that was only compatible with a single operating system. My desire to play with Linux did not happen to be worth as much as it would have cost to do so at the time, so I waited.

It does. The soft modens were partly a lockin technique to decrease odds you'd be able to use something like Linux without buying new hardware. The strategy apparently worked. It's why I push for standards-compliant hardware that requires no funny business to use in new ways.

That was one of the key events in my life that convinced me of free software ideals.
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