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Win32 and .NET desktop apps can now be published in the Windows Store

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Re: Win32 and .NET desktop apps can now be published in the Windows Store

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ocdtrekkie wrote: post #117
oridecon wrote: post #112

Too bad you still need a Microsoft account to use the store, besides sideloading. That's a deal breaker for me, at least on the desktop (I know you can login separately on each app). 1) How good is the sandbox? I followed the links but how battle-tested is it? What if you put an already sandboxed Chrome inside UWP, does it basically use almost the same calls or there are some extra benefits? Besides FS isolation. 2)…

Almost every "store" requires an account. Try to use the Play Store without a Google account. That being said, since UWP itself isn't tied to the Store, as UWP expands, there will hopefully be third party sites to get UWP apps. (Eventually even Steam I presume will offer UWP apps.) If you know where to look, pretty much everything in a UWP app can be opened via file explorer. Check out the C:\Users\yourusername\AppDa…

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Re: Win32 and .NET desktop apps can now be published in the Windows Store

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Post by wolfgke »

flohofwoe wrote: post #140
analognoise wrote: post #139

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"Win32 is a pretty bad desktop API" What's a better desktop API, and why?

I'm not saying there's a better desktop API, just that Win32 is 'pretty bad' (IMHO). It's a collection of many small annoyances that have been stacked on top of each other over the decades. My favourite mis-feature is probably everything around UNICODE, such as hiding the xxxA() and xxxU() function names under global preprocessor defines, which in turn renames all your own functions which happen to have the same name…

> It's a collection of many small annoyances that have been stacked on top of each other over the decades.

You are describing X11?

Re: Win32 and .NET desktop apps can now be published in the Windows Store

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Post by flukus »

youdontknowtho wrote: post #122
whiskahs wrote: post #115

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They kind of did rebuild photoshop. And Acrobat. And pretty much every one of their products after the Creative Cloud move.

Still using C++ and Windows API's. Also, how many prior versions of Photoshop still run on Windows with no modification? Probably all of them.

Don't they use there own UI kit?

Re: Win32 and .NET desktop apps can now be published in the Windows Store

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Post by flukus »

icebraining wrote: post #91
flukus wrote: post #86

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It that once off or every time? There have been a few Android apps that started off OK and transitioned to spyware.

Can't remember. Still, I don't think it matters - if you know an app has turned into spyware, why are you opening it again instead of uninstalling it?

Because I don't know until I hear it somewhere.

Re: Win32 and .NET desktop apps can now be published in the Windows Store

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Post by flukus »

benaadams wrote: post #92
flukus wrote: post #88

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Sounds like it's not possible to create a custom file manager, or space visualizer or anything like that?

"System Level Access to All User Data" permission? Though you can't submit to store with request for that permission: https://msdn.microsoft.com/windows/uwp/packaging/app-capabil...

All user data != All file system.

Re: Win32 and .NET desktop apps can now be published in the Windows Store

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Post by flukus »

WorldMaker wrote: post #110
flukus wrote: post #71

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> Filesystem permissions cannot be controlled on a per app level They can if you adopt a user per app model. I thought this is what android/UWP did under the hood. > I do not like the fact, that an installation of for example a game needs admin rights, and has every chance to access data it should not be able to do. I doesn't. The biggest cause of this is the default of requiring admin to access program files, even i…

Steam is a terrible security example because Steam just gives Everyone Read/Write/Execute access to its folder(s) on Windows. The Steam solution to permissions on Windows has always been to basically just give up and not bother.

Has it ever been a problem in practice? I'm not aware of it ever being one. Worst case scenario some malicious software destroys a game install and some saves, unpleasant but not the end of the world.

It comes with some great benefits though, like easy modding. Imagine if my text editor couldn't access my games folder?

Re: Win32 and .NET desktop apps can now be published in the Windows Store

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Post by flukus »

emodendroket wrote: post #134
koko775 wrote: post #38

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WinRT means: * No app closure callbacks. You don't know if it's suspending or exiting. * No "are you sure you want to exit? Save/Don't save" dialogs. If you close or crash pray your data was saved, and if it takes a long time to flush to disk...really pray. * No minimizing/backgrounding to tray icons allowed.

> No "are you sure you want to exit? Save/Don't save" dialogs. If you close or crash pray your data was saved, and if it takes a long time to flush to disk...really pray. Of course not, because it's supposed to also work on mobile. Does your iPad let applications prevent you from going back to the home screen?

> Of course not, because it's supposed to also work on mobile. Does your iPad let applications prevent you from going back to the home screen?

You don't see the problem here? Why do I want the restrictions of mobile phones limiting my desktop applications?

Re: Win32 and .NET desktop apps can now be published in the Windows Store

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Post by flukus »

nightski wrote: post #128
pjc50 wrote: post #56

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Desktop Windows is clearly the technology of the past, and I say that as someone who develops on it every day. People starting in a green field will build a web or a mobile app if at all possible. The cases where it isn't are basically games and what used to be called "workstation" apps: big chunky tools like SolidWorks. Even Adobe have retreated to the cloud, although the tools still run locally.

It is not in the least. There are millions of gamers, creative professionals, developers, engineers, etc.. that use desktop applications on Windows every single day and that will not change any time soon.

And then you have Microsoft, trying their hardest to replace that desktop with a mobile OS.

Re: Win32 and .NET desktop apps can now be published in the Windows Store

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Post by emodendroket »

flukus wrote: post #147
emodendroket wrote: post #134

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> No "are you sure you want to exit? Save/Don't save" dialogs. If you close or crash pray your data was saved, and if it takes a long time to flush to disk...really pray. Of course not, because it's supposed to also work on mobile. Does your iPad let applications prevent you from going back to the home screen?

> Of course not, because it's supposed to also work on mobile. Does your iPad let applications prevent you from going back to the home screen? You don't see the problem here? Why do I want the restrictions of mobile phones limiting my desktop applications?

Well, for one, I don't see how else the concept of "universal apps" could possibly work.

Re: Win32 and .NET desktop apps can now be published in the Windows Store

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Post by flukus »

emodendroket wrote: post #149
flukus wrote: post #147

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> Of course not, because it's supposed to also work on mobile. Does your iPad let applications prevent you from going back to the home screen? You don't see the problem here? Why do I want the restrictions of mobile phones limiting my desktop applications?

Well, for one, I don't see how else the concept of "universal apps" could possibly work.

Neither do I. The question then becomes "should they exist?".
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