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Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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I'm not the guy you're asking, but I've spent some time 'in solitude' studying without an academic institution. I'd read philosophy books whenever I have down time. Consciously replacing entertainment with books works as well. Philosophy to me is less about studying philosophy itself as a topic but encountering different people's various personal philosophies about things. Kierkegaard's "The Present Age" and Glenn Go…

I like Gould's music, but didn't know about his writing. Perhaps you could provide a pointer or two for an anxious fellow? :)

[0] "Anxiety gives way to pleasure and a passion for creative work for which the only condition is solitude."

[1] "I do feel quite convinced that one's creativity is enhanced primarily by the more-or-less single-minded pursuit and development of one's own resources without reference to the trends, tastes, fashions, etc. of the world outside."

[0] Glenn Gould - Selected Letters, page xx.

[1] Glenn Gould - Selected Letters, page xxii.

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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"See the sad thing about a guy like you, is in about 50 years you’re gonna start doin' some thinkin' on your own and you’re gonna come up with the fact that there are two certainties in life. One, don't do that. And two, you dropped a hundred and fifty grand on a fuckin’ education you coulda' got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the Public Library."

If you approach college as a consumer of the information fed by professors and books, the Public Library approach is probably a great value proposition (though I'd question whether that $1.50 provided any value at all... :-) ). However, a good education is much more than this. It includes the opportunity to engage in back-and-forth discussions with professors and classmates, building social and professional networks…

Not to mention: while public libraries are great and I love them, thy are often lacking in-depth knowledge.

My local public library doesn't have a book on advanced logic design, for example. It favors a more 'general' collection, and thus books with heavy reliance on math tend to be omitted. Same with in-depth law books, they just aren't there.

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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I love this bit: "I prefer to spend my college years searching, exploring, and wondering, as opposed to training to become an "asset" in the file cabinet of a "human resource" department. Rock on fellow baristas, rock on." Translation: "I'll come out of university with no transferrable skills whatsoever. Dreadfully unintellectual dead-end jobs are where I'll be able to keep pursuing my love of knowledge". Dude. The a…

So you use the philosophy to justify using the economics part of you degree to make 2+2 = 5 for your employer. In the UK the Oxbridge PPE (Philosophy, Politics and Economics) is a well know route into politics.

Or:

http://existentialcomics.com/comic/149

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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I studied some philosophy in college, and found the experience pretty disappointing. The field addresses some really fascinating problems, but I'm not too impressed with their answers. A typical assignment in philosophy consists of thinking about a really hard problem with no good solutions, picking one, and arguing for it. And since there are so few fixed points, almost anything is arguable. Really, it's a debater's…

I like philosophy but, the "debater's paradise" really gets to the problems with it. Arguments can never be settled, just dragged on. I like this quote about the history of science, before the scientific method. >...The scholastics saying that matter was this, or that, and justifying themselves by long treatises about how based on A, B, C, the word of the Bible, Aristotle, self-evident first principles, and the Great…

There is selection bias there, problems that do get settled stop being dragged on.

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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post #136

I like some parts of philosophy like Whitehead, Dennett, and Rachels but beyond them I really find most philosophers to be intentionally too murky. So, I'm impressed when someone dares to slog through philosophy and come up with something of substance from it. But honestly, I think people are better served by majoring in math and only taking a minor in philosophy if they weren't hard set on any given field of study.

Philosophy's got a lot of different schools, and there are plenty of people who major in it and still stick to the dry and analytic (confusing because it uses way too many numbers and greek letters) and avoid the continental style (confusing because it uses way too many made up words and rambling anecdotes.)

Add Derrida and other postmodernists to the list of those practicing "obscurantisme terroriste".

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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It seems that the benefits of majoring in philosophy are confounded by the difficulty of the subject.

Let me explain. There are subjects, say Philosophy or Physics, that are some of the more demanding undergraduate majors and yet have limited job markets. Simply getting through a Philosophy major signals that one is capable of deep thinking, abstract thought, the ability to read book after book of long complex argumentation and understand it in its historical context. Physics places similarly difficult (but differing) demands upon its students.

A major in Philosophy signals to potential employers that this person can read, write, and think clearly; a major in Physics does the same with an emphasis on math and science. Such employees can be valuable because they are almost certainly have high intelligence, they have demonstrated discipline, and have a good work ethic.

The downside is that it isn't entirely obvious of what use they are to an organization; they will require training and time to learn for many potential jobs. I would consider something like a Philosophy or Physics undergraduate degree combined with a Masters in CS to be a perfectly adequate, although drawn out, education for the job market.

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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this is from 2013 and the author was an undergraduate at the time. its now 3 years later. this is his LinkedIn profile

https://www.linkedin.com/in/gferowich

he appears to have done a bit of freelance writing and editing, but generally not gotten very far into a "real job" as most of us would understand it. this is not a criticism. he's very young and seems to be off to a reasonably good start for a career in writing.

that said, the author seems to have strongly emphasized his social media clout (twitter account mentions "most viewed philosophy/existentialism on Quora" or some other inane thing like that) as if that was some sort of accomplishment. maybe this is just a generation gap thing. I'm > 10 years older than this fellow and I really don't relate to that at all. Damn kid's today. Get off my lawn.

so what's my point? that Philosophy as a major seems roughly equivalent to ANY non-technical major you might take as an undergrad. that's to say, it doesn't fuckin matter. if you enjoy it and feel comfortable spending all that money on your degree for it, then go ahead, but as far as career goes it probably has no greater value than any other humanities major.

I know I know, sample size n=1. I'm not trying to generalize from this anecdote. My previous paragraph is meant as a statement of opinion only. Still, it is readily observed and I think many others would corroborate it. In other words I disagree with the point of the linked article. There is no good reason to study Philosophy in school. I say this as a person who dropped out of a philosophy major in school, spent years living in "fun-employment" (that means poverty if you didn't get it) and then went back to school for computer science and got a real job. I never lost my interest in philosophy. If anything I've read more, learned more, and had better discussions as a non-academic amateur enthusiast than I ever did while studying this stuff in school.

Studying philosophy is all well and good. In my opinion, in 2016 in America, it is probably no longer a good idea to do this in the academy. The benefits of this study (gaining deep insights that inform how we live) are available to anyone who can read and find a decent forum (online or meatspace) to participate in. The academy is no longer necessary and may now be an impediment to studying philosophy, because it's so unreasonably expensive, and our society has shifted towards expecting university education to be career/money/job skills oriented.

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Philosophy's got a lot of different schools, and there are plenty of people who major in it and still stick to the dry and analytic (confusing because it uses way too many numbers and greek letters) and avoid the continental style (confusing because it uses way too many made up words and rambling anecdotes.)

Add Derrida and other postmodernists to the list of those practicing "obscurantisme terroriste".

I can barely tolerate Foucault. And I've tried Derrida but I've always wind up giving up since he just makes no sense to me. Then there's Zizek. That's one person I just can't bother to listen to because I don't know what the hell he's on about half the time (I tried reading his essay on transgender politics and wound up giving up after the first paragraph).

Re: Why I Majored in Philosophy Despite Everyone Telling Me Not To (2013)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I noticed you failed to mention utilitarianism, which asserts that there is no better guiding principle for ethical choices than the greatest potential well being (or happiness) of all affected sentient individuals. [This is the one Sam Harris gets accused of 'ripping off' without mentioning it by philosophy types who dislike him.] I've heard and read a whole lotta bluster from people who have nitpicky issues with it…

http://static.existentialcomics.com/comics/peterSingersBasem...

That is wondrously hilarious. I am saving it, thank you.

Yes, there are some good counter-arguments (such as the one the comic refers to), but in my mind they more indicate potential pitfalls that need to be discussed and worked around rather than completely destroying the theory.

Most of this stuff doesn't translate into real world scenarios effectively regardless, I look at it more as helping guide complex decisions which have to be made in a chaotic and fast moving world that is difficult or impossible to reduce down to pure data.

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