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A scammer stole $500 from me and in the end begged me not to tell his parents

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Re: A scammer stole $500 from me and in the end begged me not to tell his parents

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Sounds a lot like a kid who attempted to scam me out of a GPU. He sent me a bogus Bitcoin transfer email from a well known escrow service. I stupidly did not check header information, as I was in a rush at the time, and shipped without confirming it. All was well, until he sends me a picture of the card, with essentially a HAHAHAHA, various derogatory remarks, name calling, you name it. I was calm, and collective, tr…

This the correct way to deal with criminals - it's not your call to decide if they're a minor, a psychopath etc.. This way society can deal with criminals, hopefully his parents will make an effort now. Had you not done all this work we'd be guaranteed to have one more criminal to incarcerate in the future.

It may be the correct way to deal with criminals in some situations, and it sounds like in this case it was.

However, as individuals we can still decide that our code of ethics precludes us from involving the state in matters of petty crime, if we think the state's response may be disproportionately harsh.

If we think the state is incorrect to classify marijuana was a class I drug, the same as heroine, for example, we have every right to make our own judgement about whether to report every pot smoker to the police.

Sometimes, depending on the alleged crime, people may have very real fears that bringing in the state may have lethal consequences. In America, many black people are more hesitant to call the cops, because of excessive risks to the petty criminal, or even to themselves. Here's a homeowner who decided to call the cops who ended up shot, because the cops appeared to assume that any black man emerging from the house must be the criminal: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/08/2...

The point is, we could all be robots and always trust the state to deal with every issue correctly, or we could decide occasionally to trust our own morals and code of ethics, and use our own discretionary powers when deciding what to report.

Re: A scammer stole $500 from me and in the end begged me not to tell his parents

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Sounds a lot like a kid who attempted to scam me out of a GPU. He sent me a bogus Bitcoin transfer email from a well known escrow service. I stupidly did not check header information, as I was in a rush at the time, and shipped without confirming it. All was well, until he sends me a picture of the card, with essentially a HAHAHAHA, various derogatory remarks, name calling, you name it. I was calm, and collective, tr…

Damn. I'm actually really surprised just how helpful the feds were in your story.

Re: A scammer stole $500 from me and in the end begged me not to tell his parents

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What the scammer did is wrong, and the plight of the victim is easy to relate to here. It's easy to have a sense of personal outrage after reading this story. But let's keep a sense of proportion in mind: it is $500 worth of gift cards that the victim couldn't use and had been trying to get rid of for 4 years. I suspect that anyone trying to get free gift cards off of Reddit is pretty small-time. I think telling the…

$500 x how many victims?

Re: A scammer stole $500 from me and in the end begged me not to tell his parents

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post #51

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I think that even an honest unemployed 22-year-old would not be willing and able to find a notary as part of the deal. When I was 18 and needed to get a letter notarized, it cost me $35.

You (or, at 18, your parents) probably have one or two friends who are notaries. Most banks have some on staff and they're usually willing to notarize other, non-bank-related stuff for account-holders too.

Not everyone is solid/upper middle class...

Re: A scammer stole $500 from me and in the end begged me not to tell his parents

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post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You (or, at 18, your parents) probably have one or two friends who are notaries. Most banks have some on staff and they're usually willing to notarize other, non-bank-related stuff for account-holders too.

Not everyone is solid/upper middle class...

I meant those as helpful suggestions but...ummm...thanks for the reminder. Also, you'd be surprised who is a notary. It's not all high-end finance people. I know one who works as a receptionist at a car dealership.

Re: A scammer stole $500 from me and in the end begged me not to tell his parents

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Sounds a lot like a kid who attempted to scam me out of a GPU. He sent me a bogus Bitcoin transfer email from a well known escrow service. I stupidly did not check header information, as I was in a rush at the time, and shipped without confirming it. All was well, until he sends me a picture of the card, with essentially a HAHAHAHA, various derogatory remarks, name calling, you name it. I was calm, and collective, tr…

Damn. I'm actually really surprised just how helpful the feds were in your story.

They weren't helpful at all, it was the local police across the country that helped me!

Re: A scammer stole $500 from me and in the end begged me not to tell his parents

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We had someone scam us on eBay for a laptop YEARS ago (like, 15 years ago) before they had the full buyer protections they have now. There wasn't really any recourse, but he had used his real phone number on his account. Or, I should say, his mother's real phone number, since he lived at home. We ended up calling, and reaching her, and when we told her what had happened she lost her shit, forced him to refund the ord…

People still get EBay scammed for laptops today. Buy laptop. You ship it. They claim it doesn't work. EBay forces a refund when they ship it back. They ship back a brick. You are out a laptop.

Re: A scammer stole $500 from me and in the end begged me not to tell his parents

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I mean, at your link they are "selling" top of the line MacBooks for $200 a piece; that's kind of asking for it.

I noticed they intentionally remove a "p" from Apple to avoid getting Apple after them. I wonder if it would be smart to report these listings to Apple directly since they have a far better bankroll to tackle those problems. Although I'm sure it is difficult even for Apple to address them.

Product Type: Black Tea

Re: A scammer stole $500 from me and in the end begged me not to tell his parents

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post #7

The buyer assumed ebay feedback was good enough, but even veteran ebay buyers with good feedback will try to scam sellers by transacting outside of the site to save the transaction fees... and of course that's how you get scammed. The transaction fees are partially insurance for these things: if you buy and get scammed, ebay will eat the cost of it, much like credit card companies do in cases of fraud.

> if you buy and get scammed, ebay will eat the cost of it, much like credit card companies do in cases of fraud. This is not true unless things have changed in the last few years. eBay will try to get the money back by flagging the fraudster's account. But if that account has been emptied there's nothing they can do and eBay does not refund your money from their pocket. For the credit card comment. I don't think thi…

I am amazed that many still assume CC companies eat fraud charges. That is not the case, they always yank it from the merchant where the money was spent. cited as a so-called cost of doing business if you ask around.

Re: A scammer stole $500 from me and in the end begged me not to tell his parents

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post #106

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So you're saying that after being caught, he should have sent to the victim of his scam a picture of himself putting live cats in a blender? Just to avoid being seen like somebody that tries to look human, you know. In other words, in your view, if he doesn't look human then he's a psychopath; if he does, this proves again that he's a psychopath. Confirmation bias? Ah, by the way and just FYI, psychopaths and scammer…

"So you're saying that after being caught, he should have sent to the victim of his scam a picture of himself putting live cats in a blender? Just to avoid being seen like somebody that tries to look human, you know." Why would you even bother making this post? I can't imagine there is even like .0000001% of your being that believes that this is remotely close to what the person you're responding to thinks, so what e…

> "After being caught, this scammer was actively trying to be seen as a human being."

This is what the GP posted. He was very clearly saying that the scammer was "actively trying to be seen as a human being", something that apparently in the mind of the GP he's not- or at least not completely.

Well, maybe I misinterpreted, but I read it as "the fact that he tries to look scared and repentant is a further proof that he's a psychopath" - which would be a circular reasoning, since he's assumed that he's trying on the base that he's supposedly a psychopath. In any case I don't see any hint to the possibility that he might have been genuinely scared.

So to answer your question, mine was a reductio ad absurdum: given the GP's premises, the only way not to look as a psychopath would have been to look as a psychopath.

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