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Sam Altman talks with Mark Zuckerberg about how to build the future [video]

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Re: Sam Altman talks with Mark Zuckerberg about how to build the future [video]

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post #139

Why is M. Zuckerberg qualified to tell us how or to build us our future? Because he built brain dead website where people waste their precious time and lives? Building facebook - glorified yellowpages - is somehow a sign of high knowledge or achievement these days?

Building a $350B tech company from nothing in 12 years might be a sign of "high knowledge or achievement"...

Re: Sam Altman talks with Mark Zuckerberg about how to build the future [video]

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post #95

Seeing how he behaved while getting to his success i don't think he should be idealized. I would rather listen to what Elon Musk has to say about future than Mark Zuckerberg.

I completely agree. Elon actually built something useful.

Re: Sam Altman talks with Mark Zuckerberg about how to build the future [video]

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post #55

His low point was when Yahoo offered to buy FB for a billion dollars. Dark times.

"The part that was painful wasn't turning down the offer, it was the fact that after that, huge amounts of the company quit because they didn't believe in what we were doing...the whole management team was gone in about a year after that."

Making a choice that led to the entire management team leaving is tough, no doubt. Making any massively unpopular decision that leads to some of the smartest people working with you to actively flee your enterprise would be hard for anyone.

That being said, there is something to be said about how this comment was made. Because the hard part wasn't turning down the offer. It wasn't even dealing with the outcome of an unpopular choice per se -- hard to imagine these people thought "acquired by Yahoo" was the road to product success, even back then. It was dealing with the outcome of telling people they'd have to wait, possibly forever, to see their efforts rewarded (it took them 6 more years to IPO, with Zuckerberg famously devaluing the stock of early contributors along the way).

Noticing the lack of trust (possibly in both directions) _is_ a dark time, but it's hard to come to that conclusion when these things are referenced so obliquely ('people left' isn't a dark time, it's business).

Re: Sam Altman talks with Mark Zuckerberg about how to build the future [video]

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And also be extremely lucky.

The good part is that if you are working on something you care about, you won't be as upset when you fail if you were building something just to become the next Zuck. This does contrast with pg's story, however.

For each and every bit of startup advice, there is an equal and opposite bit of startup advice.

Re: Sam Altman talks with Mark Zuckerberg about how to build the future [video]

#146

Is Sam consciously mirroring Mark's body language and style of dress, or is that just a weird coincidence?

The symmetry of the staging adds another uncanny element: the frontal camera angles and the identical chairs add on top of the similarity in dress.

And you're right, the similar affect of the two -- the earnestness, the forward posture telegraphing intensity, the lack of humor -- all together, it is off-putting. Later in the interview, Sam leans back which seems to break this unpleasant symmetry.

Re: Sam Altman talks with Mark Zuckerberg about how to build the future [video]

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post #31

Sigh. Mark Zuckerberg is not the fellow to listen to if you want to build the future. He's only managed to re-invent the past. AOL, MySpace, FriendFeed, and probably a few others I'm forgetting. edit: Folks are getting a bit philosophical so I'll clarify. There are better models to look up to if you want to invent the future: Bret Victor, Elon Musk, Alan Kay, Richard Feynman, etc. Each of those people did invent the…

Sigh, you've overlooked the fact that he built a hugely profitable business so now he can now throw money into "building the future". AI, VR, etc. Google was probably the 20th search engine. They make most of their money selling ads. Microsoft just rebuilt CP/M and bought many of their big apps. It's what you do after you build a great business that matters.

I don't have anything against building what people want or re-packaging what existed already in better ways. My issue was with the title. I don't doubt for a second that Zuckerberg is a great business mind but building the future requires a bit more than business acumen.

Re: Sam Altman talks with Mark Zuckerberg about how to build the future [video]

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I'm not sure what to think about Mark's non-answer to: "So can you tell us about some of the hardest parts in the history of the early history of Facebook?" (He basically says the hardest point was not selling for $1 billion, and that it was a non-issue months later.)

He also left out the part where investor-genius Peter Thiel was pressuring him very hard to sell Facebook to Yahoo.

Peter Thiel almost cost Zuck one of the biggest mistakes in business history.

Another inconvenient fact that goes unsaid.

Re: Sam Altman talks with Mark Zuckerberg about how to build the future [video]

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post #27

The TL;DR of how Zuck wants to build FB's future w/his quotes: 1) "Connectivity, so getting everyone in the world on the Internet." 2) "The next one is AI. I think that that's just going to unlock so much potential in so many different domains." 3) "[The next computing platform] - I think that's going to be virtual reality and augmented reality." For all the flack that Zuck is getting in this thread he lays out a pre…

For all the flack that Zuck is getting in this thread It's pretty safe to ignore most of the flack in this thread. Most people vote with their feet (or wallets, or eyeballs, or attention), and they've voted that they love Facebook, regardless of what a minority of people in this thread say or upvote. Nerds have a cantankerous side and are as prone to virtue signalling as any other group. Those of us who read Slashdot…

> Most people vote with their feet (or wallets, or eyeballs, or attention), and they've voted that they love Facebook, regardless of what a minority of people in this thread say or upvote.

Plenty of people in the HN demographic also vote with their feet by quitting FB.

Re: Sam Altman talks with Mark Zuckerberg about how to build the future [video]

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post #76

Election campaigners of Trump/Hillary would cringe at this video. Zuck's body language looks bad because of the chair their are using. It is slanted and Zuck is sitting straight. It makes him look less relaxed (like a job interview). Same with Sam Altman. Complete lack of emotions in Zuck's eyes. It might be part of his personality but it makes him look very detached from what he is talking about.

I can relate to Mark having to disconnect from emotion or feeling in business. It's a very personal thing for me that I don't really want to get into, but it has to do with being consciously aware of free choices.
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