Machine Learning and Ketosis • Hacker News Board

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by truckle » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 7:10 AM UTC

fernly wrote: post #91

Just for what it's worth, there are several Soylent-like meal replacement products that are explicitly formulated for ketogenesis. This could be an aid for a person who wants to try a keto diet without having to research a lot of new recipes. Biolent has a keto variant: http://biolent.ca/ Keto Chow: https://www.thebairs.net/product-category/ketochow/ Keto Fuel: http://superbodyfuel.com/shop/keto-fuel/ KetoSoy: https:…

There are also lots of ketogenic recipes on the DIY Soylent website: http://diy.soylent.com/recipes?tags=Ketogenic

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by cel1ne » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 7:11 AM UTC

zatkin wrote: post #131

ghshephard wrote: post #100

What's interesting about this post isn't the actual diet advice, but the guidance to track and see what works for you. Different people react to fasting differently - some continue to burn calories and drop weight, some just go into starvation mode, have their BMR crash through the floor, and end up exhausted all the time because their body is fighting like crazy to conserve energy. Likewise - some people, when they…

I do a lot of rock climbing, so most of my body is muscle. I'm currently floating at 170 lbs, but would love to lose 10 lbs so I can get up the wall faster. I think that fasting might be foolish because my body needs energy for climbing. In fact, if I wait too long after eating lunch, I tend to get really hungry during climbing and I start yawning a lot (not sure why).

There is an often-forgot other situation where your body needs some stored energy: sickness and accidents.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by WillPostForFood » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 7:16 AM UTC

ryeguy wrote: post #138

This is delightfully nerdy and overly analytical, but I can't believe someone would go to the extent of creating this yet never think to look for counterarguments against their dieting regimen. Doing this would have given him the answer much sooner. Trying to figure out how the consumption of certain foods correlates with weight gain/loss is a waste of time because it's simply the caloric content, not the macronutrit…

Food does have properties (not arbitrary) that make them good or bad for weight loss. I agree, calories count. But if you eat food that makes you hungry, it is harder to cut calories. The reason low-carb high fat diets work is that you feel full on fewer calories.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by ihsw » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 7:18 AM UTC

zatkin wrote: post #139

personjerry wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might be lacking glucose; I believe that is why marathon runners eat glucose before they run.

What do you mean by glucose exactly? What kind of foods should I be eating? I usually just get whatever for lunch at my company - tacos, Indian food, whatever is being served.

Depends, how long are you training?

I'm not familiar with the effort required for mountain climbing, but eating a varied meal beforehand would help. Personally, a peanut butter sandwich, banana, half an avocado (depending on the size of the avocado), tall glass of milk, and celery with hummus will prepare me well for the following few hours. Adjust this for yourself as needed.

A healthy balance between fat, fiber, carbs, and protein is what you're looking for. I can't give any any hard numbers but a good macro-nutrient balance is the first step to a healthy diet, with the second step being fresh food.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by cel1ne » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 7:18 AM UTC

I lost 15 kg (33 lb) over a period of 7 months.

* Stopped drinking juice, coke etc. completely * Ate sweets strictly only once a week (like one cake every sunday) * Ate carbs mainly at lunch when doing sport afterwards. In the evening I ate carbs too, but much less.

There's one thing that all these fasting-guides and tips fail to mention:

The fastest way to loose weight is to heighten your resting-energy-consumption, and the fastest way to do this is to gain muscle mass by training.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by ihsw » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 7:23 AM UTC

cel1ne wrote: post #145

I lost 15 kg (33 lb) over a period of 7 months. * Stopped drinking juice, coke etc. completely * Ate sweets strictly only once a week (like one cake every sunday) * Ate carbs mainly at lunch when doing sport afterwards. In the evening I ate carbs too, but much less. There's one thing that all these fasting-guides and tips fail to mention: The fastest way to loose weight is to heighten your resting-energy-consumption,…

Indeed. A muscular person at 185lb will burn more energy sitting still than their more rotund counterparts.

Another thing to keep in mind -- muscle weighs more than fat. When participating in a workout regimen, some may be discouraged by their lack of weight loss and mistake it for stalling. This should be overcome.

Frankly I think the greatest innovation in this would be a bathroom scale that shows both body-fat percentage and weight.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by aangjie » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 7:25 AM UTC

onetwotree wrote: post #92

I'd really like to see this kind of analysis applied to a larger sample. If someone were to put together a little app to make this sort of data collection trivial and upload it to a central (preferably cheap) repository, would people be interested in contributing their data in exchange for analysis? Also, since this is HN, is anyone interested in building something like this? I've got an hour or two a week of spare t…

I can also spare a couple of hours a week.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by WillPostForFood » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 7:26 AM UTC

Waterluvian wrote: post #71

hoodwink wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Breakfast: eggs + bacon or sausage or leftover steak Lunch: salad and leftover protein (with oil, vinegar, and mustard dressing) Dinner: meat, fish, or poultry (simply prepared) with roasted vegetables and salad Snacks: coffee with butter and coconut oil, raw veggies, leftover meat

I want this so badly but I feel I'm set up to fail due to how much I hate vegetables. I just can't enjoy salads. I wonder if the "this tastes awful" response will change as I move away from carbs?

keep adding fat to your salad until you start to like it - bacon, cheese, eggs, olive oil. Then you can start to pull back on the fat a bit.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by dmourati » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 7:35 AM UTC

ihsw wrote: post #146

cel1ne wrote: post #145

I lost 15 kg (33 lb) over a period of 7 months. * Stopped drinking juice, coke etc. completely * Ate sweets strictly only once a week (like one cake every sunday) * Ate carbs mainly at lunch when doing sport afterwards. In the evening I ate carbs too, but much less. There's one thing that all these fasting-guides and tips fail to mention: The fastest way to loose weight is to heighten your resting-energy-consumption,…

Indeed. A muscular person at 185lb will burn more energy sitting still than their more rotund counterparts. Another thing to keep in mind -- muscle weighs more than fat. When participating in a workout regimen, some may be discouraged by their lack of weight loss and mistake it for stalling. This should be overcome. Frankly I think the greatest innovation in this would be a bathroom scale that shows both body-fat per…

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Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by maaaats » Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 7:36 AM UTC

ihsw wrote: post #146

cel1ne wrote: post #145

I lost 15 kg (33 lb) over a period of 7 months. * Stopped drinking juice, coke etc. completely * Ate sweets strictly only once a week (like one cake every sunday) * Ate carbs mainly at lunch when doing sport afterwards. In the evening I ate carbs too, but much less. There's one thing that all these fasting-guides and tips fail to mention: The fastest way to loose weight is to heighten your resting-energy-consumption,…

Indeed. A muscular person at 185lb will burn more energy sitting still than their more rotund counterparts. Another thing to keep in mind -- muscle weighs more than fat. When participating in a workout regimen, some may be discouraged by their lack of weight loss and mistake it for stalling. This should be overcome. Frankly I think the greatest innovation in this would be a bathroom scale that shows both body-fat per…

Such scales exists, but they do it by measuring electric resistance between your feet. So not very accurate. However, if you do it under the same conditions every day (same amount of water in your body etc) you can at least show the trend.