The H-Bombs in Turkey • Hacker News Board

Re: The H-Bombs in Turkey

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Post by valarauca1 » Tue, Jul 19, 2016, 6:01 PM UTC

gkya wrote: post #106

valarauca1 wrote: post #53

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>let alone the debate on whether or not the coup was staged I don't understand why you are being downvoted for this. A decent number of military analysist and Turkish civilians have come to this conclusion. -No government buildings were seized, only bridges and airports. -Normally within the first 30 minutes of a coup a Turkish Military General was on TV directly addressing civilians as to why this had taken place, a…

In turkey we have a supreme military council every year, on august, called YAS, where promotions and dismissals. It is rumoured that these lot did this madness to not be dismissed, because that was planned. This is the most believable story to me. A bigger, more weird stupidity is that, the parliament was on vacation, that is there were no parliamenters in the national assembly building when the coup started, they ac…

One thing to point out is most solders arrested for taking part in the coup didn't know they were part of a coup. They were drilling responses to wide scale terrorist attacks.

Both the AP's story and RT corroborate that many troops didn't know they were involved in a coup.

Re: The H-Bombs in Turkey

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Post by rhino369 » Tue, Jul 19, 2016, 8:08 PM UTC

gkya wrote: post #110

DominikR wrote: post #54

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What if the Turks decide to take the weapons and attack the Armenians who are protected by the Russians? In addition to that the Turks view the Armenians as their enemy, they have basically sealed off the borders to them for decades because of that.

If Turkey shot Armenia with a nuclear bomb, given the location and size of Armenia, that'd also affect Azerbaijan, Turkey herself, and, Iran. That means if we shot Armenia with an American nuclear missile, we'd be left in the middle of an interracial nuclear orgy where the US, the Russia (ally of Armenia) and the Iran wipe us out of the world map (quite geographically).

The dirt secret about nuclear war is that Russia and the USA were much more willing to engage in a limited war where each side nuked the hell out of the allies of the other but without directly attacking each other.

There is no way Russia launches a nuclear strike on America on the behalf of Armenia. It would be suicide.

Re: The H-Bombs in Turkey

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Post by gkya » Tue, Jul 19, 2016, 8:19 PM UTC

rhino369 wrote: post #142

gkya wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Turkey shot Armenia with a nuclear bomb, given the location and size of Armenia, that'd also affect Azerbaijan, Turkey herself, and, Iran. That means if we shot Armenia with an American nuclear missile, we'd be left in the middle of an interracial nuclear orgy where the US, the Russia (ally of Armenia) and the Iran wipe us out of the world map (quite geographically).

The dirt secret about nuclear war is that Russia and the USA were much more willing to engage in a limited war where each side nuked the hell out of the allies of the other but without directly attacking each other. There is no way Russia launches a nuclear strike on America on the behalf of Armenia. It would be suicide.

"us" means Turkey in my comment, was unclear sorry.

Re: The H-Bombs in Turkey

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Post by patates » Wed, Jul 20, 2016, 10:16 AM UTC

michaelmrose wrote: post #137

cloakandswagger wrote: post #27

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Actually it should be a simple as expiring whatever API key the jets use to communicate back to the US-based control servers. So when it POSTs to a StartEngine endpoint or whatever, it wouldn't start.

If web developers ran wars the world would be a safer place.

Apart from war machines communicating through HTTP, I can't help but giggle to the thought of such a dialog:

- I repeat, the enemy seems to be not responsive. - What, you already killed them? - No we came with a bigger force but their layout didn't change. I don't think they're war-scale.

Joking aside, there's nothing making HTTPS inherently less secure than any other secure channel out there, right?

(disclaimer: I'm a web developer)

Re: The H-Bombs in Turkey

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Post by MagnumOpus » Sat, Jul 23, 2016, 8:10 PM UTC

PopsiclePete wrote: post #123

rrggrr wrote: post #94

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Turkey has not been a particularly useful US ally in the region in several decades and it won't be again, perhaps ever. The continued decline of US, Saudi and Russian influence in the Middle East is an irreversible trend, and Turkey is configuring itself to become a leader in the future of the region, both in cooperation and competition with Iran. I think its time for the US to depart Turkey, H-bombs and all, and sto…

Declining Russian, Saudi, and US influence in the Middle East? So who's influence is growing at the expense of all of those? Iran's?

Iran's for sure, particularly with Shia countries, but even with the others as Iran's economic clout growth with the end of oil sanctions.

China's as long as they are willing to funnel money their way via One Belt One Road. (Though China is more interested in Africa than the ME, with good reason.)

Turkey's, particularly with Sunni countries, and also Azerbaijan (shiite but they are united in hatred of Armenians).