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Re: Trump

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Post by lucio » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 8:23 PM UTC

bryanlarsen wrote: post #123

colmvp wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I'm surprised to see such a political piece from YC, especially since most political links on HN get taken down within a few hours.

This one lasted less than half an hour on the front page, despite being written by the president of YC. Granted, that's about 29 minutes longer than other political posts last, but it's a pretty rough ride for something with > 200 upvotes.

Nice to see that the rules are applied consistently, news.ycombinator.com has earned many respect points

Re: Trump

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Post by maxerickson » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 8:24 PM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #122

brwnll wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure where you're seeing that. Many prominent Republicans have endorsed Trump, but then denounce comment after comment Trump makes, without ever removing their endorsement of the candidate out of loyalty to the party.

They might disagree with him on many things, but I don't think they think he's outright unfit. It seems to me that they still sincerely think he's the best choice when the other one is Clinton. In any case, it's the electorate that really matters, not the leadership. I don't see any prospective voters afraid to speak their mind. Trump supporters among the general population all seem to be completely sincere. Trump op…

You are coming close to claiming that vocal people are the ones that are vocal. How much of the electorate has not said anything to reveal their position (and how important are they when it comes to the election)?

Re: Trump

#143

Post by igorgue » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 8:24 PM UTC

Let's start with you guys Sam, stop taking money from Peter Thiel who's a Trump delegate.

Re: Trump

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Post by cerbasict12 » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 8:24 PM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #38

This certainly doesn't match what I've seen. All the people who think Trump is unfit seem perfectly willing to say so. All of the people who support him seem to be completely sincere in their belief that Trump would make a good president. I don't see anyone giving any indication that they think Trump shouldn't be president, but that they're afraid to say so. There is no "charade," as the author puts it. It's possible…

DELETE THIS

Re: Trump

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Post by mikeash » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 8:24 PM UTC

lucio wrote: post #129

smoyer wrote: post #55

This year's race for president can be summed up easily by two well-known quotes (one in Sam's essay): Edmund Burke - "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Albert Einstein - "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

funny thing, the Burke one seems to be a misquote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Burke#False_quotations

I'm pretty sure the Einstein one is as well.

And really, I find that to be fairly stupid. If you consider it to be insane to do the same thing repeatedly expecting different results, then you'll never accomplish anything that requires long-term action. Try chopping down a tree or graduating from college with that attitude.

Re: Trump

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Post by curiousgal » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 8:24 PM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #138

curiousgal wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't mean it that sense. People in the US tend to always bring a person's employer into the picture whenever they disagree with said person's opinion. So his public opinion can affect ycombinator.

The tech community as a whole is heavily anti-Trump, so this will only help his image there.

Understandable.

Re: Trump

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Post by cmiles74 » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 8:24 PM UTC

Aloha wrote: post #67

ethanhunt_ wrote: post #20

Disappointed to see Sam repeat things that are plainly false. Everyone says that Trump says such horrible things, but why is it that so often those same people have to misquote him to make it seem horrible? > He has said that a judge of Mexican descent couldn’t treat him fairly because of his heritage and that we should ban Muslims from entering the country. He said that a judge of Mexican descent isn't treating him…

This is how trump talks. He says "BIG OUTRAGEOUS THING, with long list of qualifiers that follow" the media reports the first part and completely misses the second. Mostly it's a great way to game the system to get free media attention.

I believe that he gets to have it both ways: those of his supporters who are themselves isolationist or maybe even racist are excited to hear him say they same things they say. Those who are more moderate take this "he's just misunderstood and misquoted" tactic.

It's pretty amazing how it works.

Re: Trump

#148

Post by hubert123 » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 8:25 PM UTC

mej10 wrote: post #133

hubert123 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Race can be a motivator, you know that right? Human beings are not machines with 0 bias just because they are in a position where they are supposed to have 0 bias.

Yes, it can be. And if it is a major factor in this case, then there are methods of legal recourse. But instead he says that the judge treated him unfairly due to his race. Literally racist.

If you would look at everything he said then you would know how he meant it. He mentioned LaRaza, he mentioned previous rulings from this judge and much more. Instead you pick one quote out and call it a day.

Re: Trump

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Post by OhHeyItsE » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 8:25 PM UTC

ethanhunt_ wrote: post #20

Disappointed to see Sam repeat things that are plainly false. Everyone says that Trump says such horrible things, but why is it that so often those same people have to misquote him to make it seem horrible? > He has said that a judge of Mexican descent couldn’t treat him fairly because of his heritage and that we should ban Muslims from entering the country. He said that a judge of Mexican descent isn't treating him…

Ah I see. While you're at it, could I trouble to explain the differences between a "Certificate of Live Birth" and a "Birth Certificate"?

Re: Trump

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Post by kbenson » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 8:25 PM UTC

athinggoingon wrote: post #115

> Trump's casual racism, misogyny, and conspiracy theories are without precedent among major presidential nominees. He has said that a judge of Mexican descent couldn’t treat him fairly because of his heritage Judge Gonzalo Curiel, the judge presiding over the Trump university case, is a member of the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association. La Raza is a group that advocates for a path to citizenship for all illegal im…

> > He has said that a judge of Mexican descent couldn’t treat him fairly because of his heritage

> La Raza is a group that advocates for a path to citizenship for all illegal immigrants.

What does that have to do with his heritage. There are people that believe that without Mexican descent. I believe it, and I'm not Mexican, and am not an immigrant, and neither are my parents. There are people of Mexican descent that don't believe in a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants (I know one). Reducing people's behavior to something fueled by ethnicity is racism. It is not appropriate to, even with the link pointed out, to assume that Curiel's view regarding immigration does not have basis in beliefs that are distinct from his heritage. It is not appropriate to then further use this as evidence for why he's ruling some way in his job without much more than a single case (and this assertion has nothing to do with racism or heritage).

> Trump wants to ban Muslims from majority Muslim countries that are currently involved in prolonged wars which makes a comprehensive background investigation impossible to do.

Freedom of religion is a constitutionally protected right. I don't see how this right can be protected if you filter possible future citizens based on religion.