Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

Post by codedokode » Sun, Jun 05, 2016, 1:05 AM UTC

sundvor wrote: post #111

Mithaldu wrote: post #52

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Edit: After some thinking: Yes, i agree this is a dark pattern and MS needs to be held accountable to it accordingly. My only disagreement with the current direction of discourse is that people are not saying "MS manipulated me into an update", which is the truth, but "Windows updated on its own and there was nothing anyone could do", which isn't. -- They didn't change it, it was always that way. People only realized…

'll most likely be downvoted for this, but whilst I sympathise with the plight of those being auto upgraded at inconvenience a small part of me thinks that those users who cannot be bothered to read the important OS information notices, are the ones who may need the upgrade the most. As parent (+1'ed) notes, the message itself is quite clear in its intent. I would not for a second think that closing the window would…

Post by cwyers » Sun, Jun 05, 2016, 1:06 AM UTC

Mithaldu wrote: post #52

Joeri wrote: post #46

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There was a user action to install it, but it's pretty sneaky. MS changed the behavior of the upgrade question dialog that if you close it with x it will start the download and then install when ready. Your girlfriend must have clicked the x some time prior to the sudden upgrade. Even my tech-savvy coworker who didn't want to upgrade got caught out by this. Anyway, you can still roll back, and then install never10.

Edit: After some thinking: Yes, i agree this is a dark pattern and MS needs to be held accountable to it accordingly. My only disagreement with the current direction of discourse is that people are not saying "MS manipulated me into an update", which is the truth, but "Windows updated on its own and there was nothing anyone could do", which isn't. -- They didn't change it, it was always that way. People only realized…

Post by sundvor » Sun, Jun 05, 2016, 1:11 AM UTC

Mithaldu wrote: post #113

swang wrote: post #101

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if you were designing that dialog box to actually let users control whether or not they could upgrade to win 10 and made sure they made the right choice, is that how you would have designed the dialog box? again the dialog box microsoft designed was not to help out the users. it was to trick them into upgrading win 10. the dialog is purposely built to trick users into clicking on the X, something users have been taug…

You have a good point. And to be fair, the misreporting and misrepresentation of the reality in the discourse about windows upgrades caused my pendulum to swing too far in the other direction. MS is engaging in dark patterns, and that is what needs to be stated clearly, and directly, not the sensationalist, and wrong "windows updated automatically and there was nothing i could do". > having the close button _agree_ t…

Post by Mithaldu » Sun, Jun 05, 2016, 1:13 AM UTC

anotherevan wrote: post #144

Mithaldu wrote: post #128

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> The distinction between .... becomes pretty moot I vehemently disagree, since by identifying the actual issue you can, instead of frightening other people into fearing an automatic upgrade at any time, inform them about what is actually happening and better prepare them to prevent the same happening to them. That said, yes, my previous comment was snide snark. At that point it was all i had upon realizing how badly…

> > The distinction between … becomes pretty moot > I vehemently disagree, since by identifying the actual issue you can I understand where you’re coming from. And I already agreed that what actually happened – the shifty practice to supposedly gain consent – should be the discussion. My entire sentence about the distinction is with regard to giving consent, which is what your original one-liner alluded to. Microsoft…

Post by Mithaldu » Sun, Jun 05, 2016, 1:17 AM UTC

codedokode wrote: post #141

sundvor wrote: post #111

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'll most likely be downvoted for this, but whilst I sympathise with the plight of those being auto upgraded at inconvenience a small part of me thinks that those users who cannot be bothered to read the important OS information notices, are the ones who may need the upgrade the most. As parent (+1'ed) notes, the message itself is quite clear in its intent. I would not for a second think that closing the window would…

> Windows 10 represents a significant increase in security Is that really so? It seems that last 20 years Microsoft just plays whack-a-mole game closing endless vulnerabilities instead of designing a better architecture that would not allow such things. For example in Windows any app has full access to a device. The user can run any app written by anyone just by clicking a link on a web page or mail message. In Andro…