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Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by bhauer »

therobot24 wrote: post #123
untog wrote: post #65

Among the more disappointing things in all of this is that there is a rational, important conversation to be had about everyday awareness of security and government inflexibility. But there won't be, because she is Hillary Clinton and it is 2016. Supposedly she got the server set up because the NSA refused to give a politician who travels frequently a secure smartphone. She (I personally believe) was likely ignorant…

>> She is also supposedly not the first Secretary of State to have an arrangement of this nature. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/... Politifact rates this idea mostly false.

Indeed. I believe she should be investigated and prosecuted for this, but I nevertheless think it remains a mostly credible claim with respect to Powell. If I understand correctly, Politifact makes the argument that Powell used a personal e-mail address at an established service whereas Clinton installed her own mail server.

As someone who believes strongly in revitalizing self-hosting, I find focusing on Hillary's use of a personal mail server (and not on the fact that it was not an official e-mail account, full stop) to be unfairly marginalizing personal mail servers or personal servers in general. There's nothing wrong about running your own mail server. The problem is running your own mail server to give yourself a personal e-mail account to use in your job as Secretary of State. But the key part is using a personal e-mail account for your job that involves dealing with highly sensitive and classified materials—an action that would get most government employees fired if not imprisoned.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by ldness »

jonwachob91 wrote: post #117
woodman wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we need to preface every discussion with a list of others' bad behavior? I imagine that would distract for the topic under discussion... and you wouldn't want to do that would you?

Well, we could be superficial and only talk about Hillary. OR, and this is crazy but stay with me, we could talk about how this issue happened way back in the early 2000's and no one at the NSA/House addressed the issue then. A lot of people failed on this issue long before Hillary.

Congress addressed the issue of security of government servers more generally by passing the Federal Information Security Management Act (FISMA) in 2002. Her use of a rouge external server violates this law on every level. Clinton's predecessors have the defense that their terms preceded this law.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by stillusingvb6 »

foxylad wrote: post #136
stillusingvb6 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She knew what she was doing

No, she didn't, on many levels. Her underlings should have known better, but if a 68-year-old politician knew anything about internet security practices, I'd vote for them!

Her underlings were speaking up and were promptly silenced.

"The first query was dismissed by Clinton’s deputy chief of staff, claiming that the requirement to use two devices for official and personal e-mail “didn’t make a lot of sense.” Staffers raised concerns again the next January, but were told by a director that Clinton had received approval for her private server, even though she never requested it. Furthermore, the same official “instructed the staff never to speak of the Secretary’s personal e-mail system again.”

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/now-know-hillary-lied-multiple...

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by atf104 »

untog wrote: post #65

Among the more disappointing things in all of this is that there is a rational, important conversation to be had about everyday awareness of security and government inflexibility. But there won't be, because she is Hillary Clinton and it is 2016. Supposedly she got the server set up because the NSA refused to give a politician who travels frequently a secure smartphone. She (I personally believe) was likely ignorant…

So does this make Trump a more qualified candidate now?

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by stillusingvb6 »

atf104 wrote: post #140
foxylad wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, she didn't, on many levels. Her underlings should have known better, but if a 68-year-old politician knew anything about internet security practices, I'd vote for them!

This is really the crux of the case no one is talking about. There seems to be this notion she set out to do this evil deceptive thing. She had no idea, if anything her underlings were to blame. It was a colossal error, and she's terrible at articulating just about anything, let alone this failure. Our choices this cycle are extremely poor, but I'll take her finger on the button any day of the week over the real esta…

She knew. People spoke up. She lied. There is a reason she is getting hit from every major news org.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/now-know-hillary-lied-multiple...

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by ldness »

Alupis wrote: post #76
untog wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She still had a .gov e-mail address. It isn't difficult to imagine there was a "confidential to @gov, all else to @clintonemail.com" rule. I'm not defending the practise, but let's not be glib.

> She still had a .gov e-mail address She did, officially, but she's mentioned several times she never used it, and wanted to have her private email server for "convenience".

I love her values - personal convenience vs national security. This is just the sort of person we need in the White House. It reminds me of a president (I forget which one) who tied up Air Force One on a runway at who knows what cost to the taxpayer just so he could get a haircut.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by atf104 »

stillusingvb6 wrote: post #145
atf104 wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is really the crux of the case no one is talking about. There seems to be this notion she set out to do this evil deceptive thing. She had no idea, if anything her underlings were to blame. It was a colossal error, and she's terrible at articulating just about anything, let alone this failure. Our choices this cycle are extremely poor, but I'll take her finger on the button any day of the week over the real esta…

She knew. People spoke up. She lied. There is a reason she is getting hit from every major news org. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/now-know-hillary-lied-multiple...

Ok she sucks, but she's still the lesser of the two evils imho.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by patrickg_zill »

I have spent some time talking to different people I meet/know who have security clearances.

EVERY one of tells me that if they had done what it appears Hillary did, they would fully expect to be in jail for years.

In researching this, I find that about 4.5 million Americans currently have, and maybe 1.5 million more did have in the past, security clearances.

I find it hard to believe that in Washington DC, surrounded by people with security clearances, this was unintentional and just an accident. It's like Hillary had to look far afield to find people without security clearances so that they would set this up for her.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by untog »

atf104 wrote: post #144
untog wrote: post #65

Among the more disappointing things in all of this is that there is a rational, important conversation to be had about everyday awareness of security and government inflexibility. But there won't be, because she is Hillary Clinton and it is 2016. Supposedly she got the server set up because the NSA refused to give a politician who travels frequently a secure smartphone. She (I personally believe) was likely ignorant…

So does this make Trump a more qualified candidate now?

No?

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by stillusingvb6 »

atf104 wrote: post #147
stillusingvb6 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She knew. People spoke up. She lied. There is a reason she is getting hit from every major news org. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/now-know-hillary-lied-multiple...

Ok she sucks, but she's still the lesser of the two evils imho.

Not sure I'd agree. Seems like her voting record aligns more with neocons than liberals (war, traditional marriage, super predators, etc)
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