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Peter Thiel, Tech Billionaire, Reveals Secret War with Gawker

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Re: Peter Thiel, Tech Billionaire, Reveals Secret War with Gawker

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It depends why you are supporting the third-party lawsuit (which I agree is hard to prove one way or the other in court) and whether or not you do so openly versus secretly. In the case of the EFF and ACLU, their goal is not to swamp government agencies with lawsuits to the point they close down, or to hurt them economically, their goal is usually either: a) to help someone redress a wrong where they actually care ab…

> It depends why you are supporting the third-party lawsuit Right, so the real problem here is simply that people don't like him. The motive is something that exists only in his head--people can, and will, invent motives consistent with whatever their opinion of a person is. Insofar as there's an argument that lawsuit funding should be open, well, I submit that perhaps the laws on that should be changed if this is tr…

"Dear members of the jury, please be aware that the accuser is partly supported by third-party X, who has conflicts of interest Y, Z and W with the accused." is all I am asking for.

> Right, so the real problem here is simply that people don't like him.

For the record, I am far more pro-Thiel than I am pro-Gawker, although I base my judgement only on their public reputations. I am actually more concerned about the general idea than the specific parties in this case, and I think the result of the suit is correct, I just wonder about the means and the precedent that you can use a third-party's legitimate complaint to launch a punitive lawsuit.

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Should Gawker be able to publish a 'sex tape', ignore a court order to take it down, then pay a slightly higher insurance premium which to them is just 'cost of doing business' at this point, just because they are 'journalists'?

I don't know, should they? What if they had a billionaire secretly funding them ;-)

i think the court has definitively answered this question (pending appeals etc), and i personally agree with the judgement.

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I do enjoy watching people quote one of Gawker's favorite lines back at them.

Like I said above, it seems that for a lot of people, the freedom of speech rhetoric just comes down to whose ox is getting gored.

i'm curious, what are you meaning by "freedom of speech"? in what way does releasing sex tapes constitute this?

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All I see are slippery slope arguments claiming that, next time, Thiel might go after someone who didn't unarguably deserve it.

Why do you think the wealthy should be able to stop the free press from publishing things they don't like?

They didn't stop them from publishing... But there are, can and should be repercussions for some things that one may publish.

If it's news, it will circulate the likes of twitter/facebook regardless and be picked up by others.. that's how news works. Someone will always be the first. All of that said, there's also a consideration to be held for ethics and responsible disclosure in journalism.

In this instance a legal case with merit was funded, I don't see a problem with that, necessarily.

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> But if the extremely wealthy, under a veil secrecy, can destroy publications they want to silence, Is there some method of 'destruction' that isn't reported on here, other than Peter Thiel financing Hulk Hogan's lawsuit? I think you are going to be hard-pressed to find people that think Gawker should be able to publish a 'sex tape', ignore a court order to take it down, because it's 'journalism'.

They specifically dropped the part of the case that would allow an insurance payout. Typically, people who don't want to destroy an organization will prefer to get the more assured money from insurance.

Hogan is the only one who could approve that, as its arguably against his interests. So if you're going after someone for vengeance here, it should be him.

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> It depends why you are supporting the third-party lawsuit Right, so the real problem here is simply that people don't like him. The motive is something that exists only in his head--people can, and will, invent motives consistent with whatever their opinion of a person is. Insofar as there's an argument that lawsuit funding should be open, well, I submit that perhaps the laws on that should be changed if this is tr…

"Dear members of the jury, please be aware that the accuser is partly supported by third-party X, who has conflicts of interest Y, Z and W with the accused." is all I am asking for. > Right, so the real problem here is simply that people don't like him. For the record, I am far more pro-Thiel than I am pro-Gawker, although I base my judgement only on their public reputations. I am actually more concerned about the ge…

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Re: Peter Thiel, Tech Billionaire, Reveals Secret War with Gawker

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post #104

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> It depends why you are supporting the third-party lawsuit Right, so the real problem here is simply that people don't like him. The motive is something that exists only in his head--people can, and will, invent motives consistent with whatever their opinion of a person is. Insofar as there's an argument that lawsuit funding should be open, well, I submit that perhaps the laws on that should be changed if this is tr…

"Dear members of the jury, please be aware that the accuser is partly supported by third-party X, who has conflicts of interest Y, Z and W with the accused." is all I am asking for. > Right, so the real problem here is simply that people don't like him. For the record, I am far more pro-Thiel than I am pro-Gawker, although I base my judgement only on their public reputations. I am actually more concerned about the ge…

That would tend to introduce biases in the case. Court cases are not supposed to be about the people, but the events that happened. Many aspects of the court system deliberately attempt to remove such information from jurors to avoid such biases.

That said, I tend to think it should be a public record outside of court at least.

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I just imagine the scenario of Gawker being the outlet that leaked the "Fappening" and seeing everyone currently defending Gawker turn an about face. In reality, what they did to Hulk Hogan was more or less, the same, possibly worse than what several women in the Fappening went through.

Do people actually defend the Fappening? I mean, I expect they are happy it happened, but that they know, deep down, that it was wrong. Kind of like peeking at your neighbor undressing through the curtains or what not. Am I being too optimistic again?

Few people outside of 4chan proactively defend the happening, but many people were celebrating the leaking of the hulks sex tape

Re: Peter Thiel, Tech Billionaire, Reveals Secret War with Gawker

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Josh Marshall, from John Gruber: It all comes down to a simple point. You may not like Gawker. They’ve published stories I would have been ashamed to publish. But if the extremely wealthy, under a veil secrecy, can destroy publications they want to silence, that’s a far bigger threat to freedom of the press than most of the things we commonly worry about on that front. If this is the new weapon in the arsenal of the…

"Evil corporation revenge porns a working class hero, gay vigilante ensures justice is served, and the left sides with the corporation?"

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Re: Peter Thiel, Tech Billionaire, Reveals Secret War with Gawker

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Why do you think the wealthy should be able to stop the free press from publishing things they don't like?

This is an important point. With the court verdict as it stands Hulk Hogan was right and Gawker was wrong. The fact that it took a connection to a billionaire for someone to defend their right to privacy is a sorry state of justice in America.

It could have easily been hundred millionaire
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