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C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

#141

Dammit. Cheap - very cheap - for everything but storage. It seems impossible to find a low-cost server with some big, slow spinning disks on it at the moment. I'm really not sure why. Anyone got any recommendations there? Where would I look, if anywhere, for, say, 4Tb of storage attached to a low-cost virtual or dedicated server, for less than Google Nearline or equivalent?

We just introduced an SSD cached storage solution at MNX.io

$15/TB -- scalable to 40T.

https://mnx.io/pricing

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

#142

Dammit. Cheap - very cheap - for everything but storage. It seems impossible to find a low-cost server with some big, slow spinning disks on it at the moment. I'm really not sure why. Anyone got any recommendations there? Where would I look, if anywhere, for, say, 4Tb of storage attached to a low-cost virtual or dedicated server, for less than Google Nearline or equivalent?

I'm really happy with TransIP. You can get a cheap VPS with an SDD, and attach a multi-TB network disk to it. That said, it's not the same as having them locally attached, I get ~35Mbps on writes.

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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post #17

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Well, that is the whole point, you are suppose to have a whole bunch of small, inexpensive, power efficient, cores. If the software you normally use doesn't take advantage of, at least, multi core hardware, then you can obtain more value from other hosting provider... On the other hand if your software can takes advantages of multicore hardware, or -- even better -- multi node architecture, then scaleway is likely th…

Nearly no web framework is per request multi core (e.g. multi core HTML / JSON rendering, assuming backend operations already async). So each request will be slow. [Edit:] Not sure for the downvote, would be interested what's wrong in my comment.

Almost all modern frameworks allow a request to be executed on multiple cores, though if all you're doing is HTML/JSON rendering there would very rarely be any performance advantage to doing so (though if there's an async point it will probably happen, i.e. one core will execute the part up until the call to the backend and then a different core may well pick up the continuation when the result comes back). The actual compute time to render HTML/JSON is utterly minimal (even if you're doing it in a super-slow language like Ruby or Python that requires a hashtable lookup for every function call); if you're doing linear algebra in your web frontend then you'll notice slowness (especially as a lot of SoCs may not have much FPU), but for typical frontend workloads the CPU usage is just utterly irrelevant compared to the cost of the backend I/O.

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

#144
If you do CPU-intensive work on these servers, might not the electricity cost surpass the 0.02/hour income? Example: if a kWh costs 0.10, then to have something burning 200W costs 0.02 per hour. (Someone substitute real-ish numbers.)

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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post #135

Their support isn't great, and they're only in Canada and EU, but Kimsufi[1] is my goto for beefy but cheap dedicated servers. Their cheapest offering is $5/month for an Atom, 2G RAM, and 500G harddrive. But where the value really lies is a step up to about $25 where you start getting non-Atom processors, 16+G of RAM, and 1+TB harddrives. Also free bandwidth. It's a real dedicated server so you can install whatever o…

In my experience online.net/scaleway support is better than ovh/kimsufi. Also, the scaleway offers have some sort of API at https://developer.scaleway.com in addition to web ui.

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

#146
post #91

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How much time are you spending in php per request? I would think the time spent in PHP per request would be low compared to network latency and io.

Most languages yes not PHP.

Modern PHP is much more performant than it used to be, and more so than other similar higher level dynamic web languages. Unless you're doing something wrong (like using Wordpress) or something unusual, network, db, file io etc. will dwarf PHP time.

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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post #135

Their support isn't great, and they're only in Canada and EU, but Kimsufi[1] is my goto for beefy but cheap dedicated servers. Their cheapest offering is $5/month for an Atom, 2G RAM, and 500G harddrive. But where the value really lies is a step up to about $25 where you start getting non-Atom processors, 16+G of RAM, and 1+TB harddrives. Also free bandwidth. It's a real dedicated server so you can install whatever o…

> KVM access is expensive Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I got the impression that KVM access on KimSufi or SoYouStart requires somebody to walk over to your machine and plug a USB key into your machine. That would explain why it costs $30.

Not really in a data center. They have embedded firmware for KVM e.g. Dell's DRAC, HP's ILO, Oracle's ILOM, Intel's RMM2, and IPMI. Plugging and unplugging things into a server can be operationally hazardous and is definitely tedious.

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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post #135

Their support isn't great, and they're only in Canada and EU, but Kimsufi[1] is my goto for beefy but cheap dedicated servers. Their cheapest offering is $5/month for an Atom, 2G RAM, and 500G harddrive. But where the value really lies is a step up to about $25 where you start getting non-Atom processors, 16+G of RAM, and 1+TB harddrives. Also free bandwidth. It's a real dedicated server so you can install whatever o…

Charging for KVM access.... Sounds extremely unpleasant. Why would you want a provider like the that, who is going to kick you in the genitals when you're down?

Just to put it into perspective, both Azure and AWS don't allow KVM access at all, at any price, period. If your VM doesn't boot then only THEIR support can restore it (and both of their support is expensive).

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

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post #129

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Interesting. I'm currently using servers by OVH, which compete in the same low-end segment using their Kimsufi[1] offering, and have datacenters in France, Canada and Germany. Paris is close to me, so these might be interesting for VNC or other low-latency applications. [1] http://kimsufi.com

Nope, OVH doesn't have data center in Germany afaik.

I was mistaken, I thought they had one in Frankfurt, but it seems the closest they get is Strassbourgh, Near the French/German/Belgian border.

Re: C2: Affordable X86-64 Servers

#150
I can't wait for the day when it's actually cheaper to host in the cloud then hosting the servers yourself, electric, bandwidth, and storage costs included. This is a step in the right direction!
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