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Re: Microsoft Acquires Xamarin

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Post by coldtea »

yarrel wrote: post #64
coldtea wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Desktop Linux was, is, and will probably always be a niche thing. And if the open source community is so great, as some of its proponents argue, let them build their own Skype. The non desktop pieces of Mono should be getting lots of improvements, though.

"Let them build Skype" is a good replacement for "Let them eat cake".

Yeah, only in a totally different and irrelevant context, where only "let them" remains the same.

The FOSS community weren't some hungry peasants that the aristocrats at Richmond took their bread away.

On the contrary, they were shouting how they don't need those stinking "proprietary" products, and that they can do one better.

Re: Microsoft Acquires Xamarin

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Post by XzetaU8 »

shanselman wrote: post #85
niels_olson wrote: post #30

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or its embrace extend extinguish?

Nonsense. The last 5 years show it's a whole new Microsoft. Disclaimer: I have been one of the ones pushing the last 5 years to make that statement true. ;)

"A newsletter entry dated 26 December 2012 states: "MS [Microsoft], working with the FBI, developed a surveillance capability to deal" with the issue. "These solutions were successfully tested and went live 12 Dec 2012."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-c...

Noticed how this date is withing those 5 year of "It's a whole new Microsoft" mantra you guys chanting over and over?

Re: Microsoft Acquires Xamarin

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Post by coldtea »

jonsmit wrote: post #72
coldtea wrote: post #51

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> The rumor was Miguel told MS to "F&#K Off" when MS presented him with an offer many years ago. This lead to CoreCLR being open sourced and Visual Studio Code being built. The rumor sounds bogus. MS has been collaborating with Xamarin (and it's previous incarnation) for almost a decade.

They can both be true. I think the valuation will be telling.

OK, here's another thing: Miguel has long advocated MS opening up their platform, and has welcomed every such move as it happened.

Re: Microsoft Acquires Xamarin

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Post by xenadu02 »

cm2187 wrote: post #81

How long before Apple kicks them out of the apple store? I thought Apple always had a policy of limited tolerance toward xamarin (after having banned them once). Isn't them becoming MSFT a casus belli ?

Zero; it won't happen. Apple's stance has been stated and unchanging for years now. Statically compiled frameworks like Xamarin are fine. Interpreters are fine if the app ships with the code (no dynamic patching by downloading new code) or if the code is part of a reviewed/approved in app purchase. For JavaScript you also have access to the native code JIT too.

The only thing you can't do is issue new code by bypassing App Review (except web pages / web apps) or have your own non-sandboxed JIT.

Re: Microsoft Acquires Xamarin

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Post by digi_owl »

aespinoza wrote: post #97
davidw wrote: post #29

Miguel finally gets his job at Microsoft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza#Early_software... Congrats!

I am glad he never go[t] that job at Microsoft. The alternative was way better. Look at all he has accomplished. Pretty awesome.

Not sure if serious...

Re: Microsoft Acquires Xamarin

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Post by martin1b »

bkovacic wrote: post #55
solutionyogi wrote: post #27

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I strongly feel that they will provide a free edition which works with Visual Studio Code.

I hope they do. I'm pretty sure that pricing is the key factor that is stopping xamarin from being way more popular

Would be smart to release windows phone support for free, but IOS and android support costs. More windows phone apps for app store for no cost to developer.

Re: Microsoft Acquires Xamarin

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Post by dotnetchris »

cm2187 wrote: post #81

How long before Apple kicks them out of the apple store? I thought Apple always had a policy of limited tolerance toward xamarin (after having banned them once). Isn't them becoming MSFT a casus belli ?

If Apple actually does it, they won't like the results of being under an anti-trust investigation.

They could have succeeded against Xamarin, but not Microsoft Legal.

Re: Microsoft Acquires Xamarin

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Post by learc83 »

smellf wrote: post #108
nacs wrote: post #93

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> It means that MS is serious about their push into Mobile and Linux Mobile OK but Linux? Currently on the HN frontpage theres an article about how Skype for Linux hasn't been updated for years and "is unable to join calls": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11165568

Exactly. It probably means that in 1-5 years, the C# experience on Linux is going to go way downhill. Extend embrace extinguish.

What are they going to extinguish, Linux? By letting people write C# code on Linux? Or are they going to extinguish Java? Or are you saying they'll extinguish Xamarin? If that's the case, that doesn't make since because Xamarin isn't a competitor.

Microsoft is so far from having the capability of doing any of those things. Any company that has a monopoly starts acting evil, but Microsoft is no longer close to having monopoly.

Re: Microsoft Acquires Xamarin

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Post by Animats »

Scary. Xamarin sells tools to support multi-platform app development. Microsoft would want that only to the extent that it assisted migration to Microsoft platforms. Not away from them.

Re: Microsoft Acquires Xamarin

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Post by whatever_dude »

Yuioup wrote: post #32
legomaster wrote: post #17

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I wonder if it means a transition to Visual Studio Code at some point. I doubt it would happen soon, but I feel like there's a lot more support behind that IDE than MonoDevelop.

Visual Studio Code is an entirely different animal, built with JavaScript on top of node.js (like Atom). MonoDevelop is a clone of Visual Studio written in C# which isn't even remotely compatible with the mis-named Visual Studio Code. If they want to port MonoDevelop to Visual Studio Code, they would have to re-write all the features from scratch. At this point they might as well re-write Visual Studio to node.js and…

> MonoDevelop is a clone of Visual Studio written in C#

They might have great intentions with MonoDevelop when it first launched, but it has been lagging behind other IDEs forever. With things like IntelliJ Rider, this position is not going to improve.

From my perspective Microsoft has done more with Visual Studio Code since its release 10 months ago than MonoDevelop has done in a decade. I'd argue it's easier to extend VSC to use it for C# development (which it already supports [1]) than to get MonoDevelop on par with modern IDEs.

And despite being JS/TS, the IDE is very very fast.

[1] https://code.visualstudio.com/Docs/languages/csharp

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