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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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yaakov34 wrote: post #75
iza wrote: post #15

> "We’re trying to build a new kind of enterprise company where the playbooks of old won’t always work" By replacing flat meritocracy and remote work with traditional top-down management? > "don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon, so let's limit their scope of damage" So the technical director and member of the social-impact team is a blatant racist.

Another quote is "it is very hard to even interview people who are 'white'". This is absurd and disgusting. I haven't lived in the US for a while, but lately, I keep hearing all these expressions of straight up racial hatred of white people, all the way up to taking pleasure in white people "dying off" and so on. This kind of thing can't end well and needs to be stopped.

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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by yaakov34 »

[deleted] wrote: post #99
yaakov34 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another quote is "it is very hard to even interview people who are 'white'". This is absurd and disgusting. I haven't lived in the US for a while, but lately, I keep hearing all these expressions of straight up racial hatred of white people, all the way up to taking pleasure in white people "dying off" and so on. This kind of thing can't end well and needs to be stopped.

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Ideological intolerance is part of it, but it's clearly not the only part, given that the very first point in her slide is "this is not work for white folks to lead", i.e. she doesn't want white allies. I don't see how much more explicit this lady can make the fact that she hates white people as such.

As for German or Russian philosophers - that seems far fetched. This is an American phenomenon, and in its explicit and mainstream form, it is a fairly recent one.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by audessuscest »

ktRolster wrote: post #91
sanjeetsuhag wrote: post #35

> Some of the biggest barriers to progress are white women. Can someone explain this ?

If you try writing a technical book as a woman, other women will discourage you, saying, "No one will buy a computer book written by a woman." No joke.

That's not true, this book [1] is written by a woman and got a lot of support :

[1] http://www.amazon.fr/CSS-Secrets-Lea-Verou/dp/1449372635

(it's really good btw)

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by venomsnake »

morgante wrote: post #85
iza wrote: post #15

> "We’re trying to build a new kind of enterprise company where the playbooks of old won’t always work" By replacing flat meritocracy and remote work with traditional top-down management? > "don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon, so let's limit their scope of damage" So the technical director and member of the social-impact team is a blatant racist.

GitHub has, since the Horvath incident, made it pretty clear what kind of person they want to hire. And, frankly, that's fine. There are plenty of places where I, as a competent white male, can get hired and promoted without difficulty. The fact that Github isn't one of those is not a systematic problem. More power to them.

No it is not. Either we are all allowed to discriminate or none at all. If only some must have power to discriminate - I prefer the status quo. Since I like the white male privilege. I am fine with society without privilege. I will fight tooth and nail against one in which my privilege is transferred to someone else.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by jws »

j4kp07 wrote: post #8

Assembla offers free private repos (no bells, no whistles). I've been using them for over 4 years now.

That appears to be free repositories when you sign up for the $24/month personal plan, according to their Pricing page. That is a barrier to many people.

Edit: Hmm, there is also a page that talks about free repositories, but it requires an account. https://www.assembla.com/git/ In any event, they are confusing me.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by yoodenvranx »

akavlie wrote: post #45
iza wrote: post #15

> "We’re trying to build a new kind of enterprise company where the playbooks of old won’t always work" By replacing flat meritocracy and remote work with traditional top-down management? > "don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon, so let's limit their scope of damage" So the technical director and member of the social-impact team is a blatant racist.

Clearly you haven't been apprised of the current rules. Hatred of white males is categorically not racism, because they have all the power.

I am a young white male with no money, no job and bad health. Can I please have some of this mysterious magic power I am supposed to have?

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by [deleted] »

hitekker wrote: post #38
iza wrote: post #15

> "We’re trying to build a new kind of enterprise company where the playbooks of old won’t always work" By replacing flat meritocracy and remote work with traditional top-down management? > "don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon, so let's limit their scope of damage" So the technical director and member of the social-impact team is a blatant racist.

This makes me sad. I thought you were being over the top about the racism but then I saw the slides in the article: http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2462e526543008... My first reaction is that the language of "us" vs "them", victims vs oppressors, reeks of hatred. Hatred undermines productive conversation, which undermines any attempt at building a good culture. I would have to listen to the whole presen…

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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by audessuscest »

MatthewMcDonald wrote: post #132
morgante wrote: post #124

Serious question: why can't someone make a good Github replacement that is anywhere near feature parity? I've tried both Bitbucket and GitLab, but their UIs continue to be leagues behind Github. It takes twice as long to do something in them (ex. find and blame a file) than it does with Github. If they could just get the UI right, I'd migrate in a second. Hosting providers should enforce political opinions (beyond de…

When's the last time you looked at GitLab? I've been using it since last February, and the UI improvements have been pretty dramatic.

I agree it's quite good now, and still improving

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by ccostes »

connorshea wrote: post #92
GuiA wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And don't forget that killer quote from their internal presentation: "Some of the biggest barriers to progress are white women" When diversity initiatives become an "us vs them" discourse, everyone loses. Except for the fat cats with full wallets at the top, who have no issue with the plebe infighting as long as it's between themselves (see the not so subtly placed "this is not about socio economic class").

That's not an internal presentation, it explicitly says it's "a diversity training talk held at a different company". She works for GitHub, but we don't have any evidence GitHub explicitly endorses those views.

Hiring her to lead their diversity efforts doesn't count as endorsement of her views on diversity?

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by protomyth »

morgante wrote: post #124

Serious question: why can't someone make a good Github replacement that is anywhere near feature parity? I've tried both Bitbucket and GitLab, but their UIs continue to be leagues behind Github. It takes twice as long to do something in them (ex. find and blame a file) than it does with Github. If they could just get the UI right, I'd migrate in a second. Hosting providers should enforce political opinions (beyond de…

> Serious question: why can't someone make a good Github replacement that is anywhere near feature parity?

Time and Github executed well at the start giving them experience.

I get the feeling that a company starting out now and doing all of their development and management remotely through the site they are building might have a good chance at catching Github in capability. Getting buy-in from customers is the problem.

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