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How are you defining 'level'? Two individual contributors are not at the same level just because they do relatively the same job. I'm sure some of the better IC engineers at my company make 2x or more what the new guys do, but there is 15 years of experience between them.

Same job title. All relatively junior developers with less than 10 years of experience. Unicorn has 4.

How are you a junior developer after 10 years of experience? That's pretty mid/senior level at that point.

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#142

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300-350 for mid level developers and up to 600 for seniors? Where is this?

Big tech companies in silicon valley.

I want to believe the numbers you provide are right, but then I look at https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Facebook-Salaries-E40772.ht... and cant see where to get more reliable sources for thinking facebook or google pay that.

Re: High Salaries Haunt Some Job Hunters

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> After more than 20 years as an electronics engineer, Pete Edwards reached the low six-figure pay level. Where is it that late-career engineers are barely pulling in six figures? Don't get me wrong, it's a lot of money (3x mean personal income in the US, and ~1.75x mean HHI, give or take), but I'd expect most senior folks in any engineering field to be in the mid 100k range if not pushing 185ish. > Time and again, h…

At 45 you become untouchable. Too old to be young, too young to be old. How many 50 year olds do you see in SV companies? I knew a guy who was about 50, brilliant, brilliant engineer working for one of the big IT players. Well respected and trusted advisor to many customers. He got vaporized in some big restructuring that hit his division. Because of non-compete and what he did, he was basically out of work for almos…

So you know one guy, and SV is the only place worth having a job...

I'm just shy of 50, stepped out of a long stretch as a senior technical type at a fortune 50 company to take a 6 month consulting contract at an obscene rate and am now fielding more high 100s to mid 200s offers than I can seriously give consideration too. That's just in my city, where cost of living is a third or so of what it is in SV (we are, by most metrics, in the top 10 economies for US cities).

If this is untouchable, I can't imagine what touchable is like.

Re: High Salaries Haunt Some Job Hunters

#145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big tech companies in silicon valley.

I want to believe the numbers you provide are right, but then I look at https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Facebook-Salaries-E40772.ht... and cant see where to get more reliable sources for thinking facebook or google pay that.

Those salaries on Glassdoor pretty much match what I'm saying, with salaries running up to $165 for senior devs. Add 30% for bonus and $100-150K in stock and you're into the $300K+ range I'm describing.

The $600K+ figure is for director level and above.

The $2M/year individual contributor was an outlier.

Re: High Salaries Haunt Some Job Hunters

#146

"Time and again, he says, employers seem to lose interest after he answers a question that they ask early on: 'What was your last salary?'" I never answer that question. Almost always it's been recruiters asking that (and only some recruiters, the less reputable ones). This is a seller's market for IT talent. You don't have to give in to bullying tactics to get a good job. I've had to walk away exactly once when a re…

You're not worried about wasting your time on salary mismatches?

Re: High Salaries Haunt Some Job Hunters

#147

"Time and again, he says, employers seem to lose interest after he answers a question that they ask early on: 'What was your last salary?'" I never answer that question. Almost always it's been recruiters asking that (and only some recruiters, the less reputable ones). This is a seller's market for IT talent. You don't have to give in to bullying tactics to get a good job. I've had to walk away exactly once when a re…

I would not tell recruiters my current salary, ($75K) but I did tell him my target salary, which was market rate for a mid-level Ruby dev in my city. ($115K) He wanted to go in at $110K. I kept telling him how odd it was to be negotiating salary upfront, and he told me "that's just how recruiting works." I just shrugged and let him do his job. If I'd wanted to negotiate my salary myself, I wouldn't be using a recruit…

> Be a team player. Climb the ladder, pay your dues. It doesn't take as long as you think.

This attitude is why engineers get bullied and steamrolled into working for a small fraction of the value they create for their employers, leaving hundreds of thousands of dollars on the table over the course of their careers. Being a team player is for after you're on the team -- but before that happens it's not personal, it's business. Anyone who takes it personally and not as a purely business negotiation is not someone you should work for.

Re: High Salaries Haunt Some Job Hunters

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post #124

I expect there is more than one factor at work here. I've known folks who "grew up" in a single company; joined out of college, worked there 15+ years, got annual raises, then got laid off and then couldn't find work at their previous salary. And the expectation of an annual raise kept forcing up their salary but I don't think the company was actually evaluating whether or not the person was getting more valuable ove…

Both sides are interested in getting a price and, ultimately, it's the person in the weaker position who ends up revealing theirs. Imagine the roof of your house was getting old and started to leak, so you figure it's time to replace it. Upon contacting a roofing company and inquiring what it would cost, they say "You're the one who wants a new roof and are willing to pay for that being done, so you should be offerin…

True, in the article the people are looking for jobs as opposed to being cold called / emailed by a recruiter. As an employer one of the things I liked about hired.com was that you could put out there the salary you were willing to pay for the position and that got that out of the way right away.

Re: High Salaries Haunt Some Job Hunters

#149

"Time and again, he says, employers seem to lose interest after he answers a question that they ask early on: 'What was your last salary?'" I never answer that question. Almost always it's been recruiters asking that (and only some recruiters, the less reputable ones). This is a seller's market for IT talent. You don't have to give in to bullying tactics to get a good job. I've had to walk away exactly once when a re…

I would not tell recruiters my current salary, ($75K) but I did tell him my target salary, which was market rate for a mid-level Ruby dev in my city. ($115K) He wanted to go in at $110K. I kept telling him how odd it was to be negotiating salary upfront, and he told me "that's just how recruiting works." I just shrugged and let him do his job. If I'd wanted to negotiate my salary myself, I wouldn't be using a recruit…

They have the same incentives as realtors selling homes. If you're commission's 15%, what's the value of 15% of the extra $5k versus time?

Re: High Salaries Haunt Some Job Hunters

#150

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Same job title. All relatively junior developers with less than 10 years of experience. Unicorn has 4.

How are you a junior developer after 10 years of experience? That's pretty mid/senior level at that point.

Depends on indistry, but 10 years is far from senior. (ignoring title inflation.)
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