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The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by mikeg8 »

ProAm wrote: post #118
mikeg8 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This: > A person in their 20's knows nothing, but thinks they've outsmarted the world... Is a dangerous and gross generalization. I totally agree with the changing of perspectives point, but feel that this community has a very clear bias from the older gen (30s and up) against the younger gen (teens and twenties). That's all I'm saying. It's divisive. Instead of saying they "know nothing", it should be phrased, "stil…

That is just a semantics argument.

The semantics are relevant though as it highlights the sentiment I'm trying trying to shed light on in my original comment.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by aries1980 »

padobson wrote: post #107
lintiness wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if we don't have laws currently, we sure as hell need them. i can't imagine letting everybody try their own self-driving software.

From the article: “I live by morals, I don’t live by laws,” Hotz declared in the story. “Laws are something made by assholes.”

Indeed, I would have a word with whoever made the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

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Post by antoniuschan99 »

josefresco wrote: post #61
thedz wrote: post #4

> “I understand the state-of-the-art papers,” he says. “The math is simple. For the first time in my life, I’m like, ‘I know everything there is to know.’ ” Yep, he's still in his twenties.

I wish I could upvote this more. A person in their 20's knows nothing, but thinks they've outsmarted the world. It's not until your 30's that you realize how big of an idiot you were/are and how much of the world you actually understand (read: little).

I took his meaning to say that with all the stuff about technology and AI, he's at a point where he feels like he can start innovating because he's learned enough (it says he went back to school to get his PhD and worked at an AI company before quitting to work on the car), hence the reason why he feels so sure that his technology is better than Mobileyes.

I don't think this has anything to do with saying he knows everything he needs to know in the world.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by hcrisp »

“I don’t care about money,” he says. “I want power. Not power over people, but power over nature and the destiny of technology."

This has echoes of J.R.R. Tolkien:

Anyway all this stuff is mainly concerned with Fall, Mortality, and the Machine. By the last I intend all use of external plans or devices (apparatus) instead of development of the inherent inner powers or talents -- or even the use of these talents with the corrupted motive of dominating: bulldozing the real world, or coercing other wills. The Machine is our more obvious modern form though more closely related to Magic than is usually recognised. . . . The Enemy in successive forms is always 'naturally' concerned with sheer Domination, and so the Lord of magic and machines.

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Post by krapp »

lintiness wrote: post #114
padobson wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: “I live by morals, I don’t live by laws,” Hotz declared in the story. “Laws are something made by assholes.”

i wonder where he believes laws came from ...

"Assholes", it would appear.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by btilly »

puranjay wrote: post #127
paragpatelone wrote: post #77

"His self-funded experiment could end with Hotz humbly going back to knock on Google’s door for a job." The biggest thing here IMO is this is self-funded. Any startup trying to do what he is doing in this environment would have raised $50 Million, hired 100's of engineers from top notch schools, become accepted in YC, and have Marc Andreessen, Paul Graham, Sam Altman and all singing their praises. Kudos to him for be…

While I understand where you're coming from, and even feel emotionally invested in the idea of bootstrapping, objectively speaking, it's a bad decision to stay self-funded. It is, after all, a business, and if you can accelerate your business' growth 100x by taking on some very smart outside investors and hire very smart people, why wouldn't you?

You might not because the goals of a founder and an investor are different.

Investors know that their returns are generated by a handful of super-successful companies. And so they have a natural pressure to "swing for the fences".

Founders have a tremendous amount tied up in THIS company, and are naturally risk-adverse.

So you get conflicts like the following. There is an initiative which has 20% chance of losing everything, but could double how much you make. Investors will always want to go for it. Founders reasonably may not.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by droopybuns »

josefresco wrote: post #61
thedz wrote: post #4

> “I understand the state-of-the-art papers,” he says. “The math is simple. For the first time in my life, I’m like, ‘I know everything there is to know.’ ” Yep, he's still in his twenties.

I wish I could upvote this more. A person in their 20's knows nothing, but thinks they've outsmarted the world. It's not until your 30's that you realize how big of an idiot you were/are and how much of the world you actually understand (read: little).

Watch Geohot do a CTF live: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aZJM-iIpbqc

I think the point you are making is generally valid... But he is a savant. I don't think it is wise to apply generalities to him.

Yes, age will change some of his sharper edges, but he is already pretty unusual.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by Xcelerate »

ProAm wrote: post #34
hamhamed wrote: post #6

> “Frankly, I think you should just work at Tesla,” Musk wrote to Hotz in an e-mail. “I’m happy to work out a multimillion-dollar bonus with a longer time horizon that pays out as soon as we discontinue Mobileye.” > “I appreciate the offer,” Hotz replied, “but like I’ve said, I’m not looking for a job. I’ll ping you when I crush Mobileye.” > Musk simply answered, “OK.” I have to agree with Elon here, Hotz is such a g…

I dont think there is anyway that Hotz's and Musk's personalities get along well in any type of working relationship. They are both difficult people to deal with (from an outsiders perspective).

That's the funny thing about INTJs; they don't seem to get along well with each other.

(*cue the preemptive disclaimer about MBTI being for entertainment)

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