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Satoshi Nakamoto Is Probably This Unknown Australian Genius?

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Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Is Probably This Unknown Australian Genius?

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post #30

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It's actually really really unsafe for him. The moment people find out that he's a billionaire (Satoshi's BTC are worth a 9-digit figure), he might be a victim of an attack.

Just to be a bit pedantic, he's estimated to have ~1.1M coins, which at current market prices would be worth $440M (9 figure wealth isn't a billion, but 'only' in the hundreds of milloins). Obviously he'd destroy the book on any exchange if he tried to cash out so it's probably worth much less than that.

The owner of those 1.1 million bitcoins can cash them out easily enough - without ever selling a single coin onto the open market. Walk into the offices of Andreessen Horowitz and tell them you want out. Those million bitcoins would be extremely valuable to anyone looking to build a large foundation of businesses around bitcoin.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Is Probably This Unknown Australian Genius?

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post #50

I find it eerily odd that that pencil making article was posted on HN a couple of weeks ago.

The submitter's account has only submitted links from Craig Wright's blog and was created 36 days ago, but is an active participant in discussions about the recent revelations...

https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=cba9

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Is Probably This Unknown Australian Genius?

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post #112

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I think that's plausible particularly because he emailed someone asking them to leak his message about not being Dorian, and that person heavily edited / redacted it; it's quite possible that is a recurring theme. Also in the Gawker article we are told Wright emailed Kleiman asking for "help editing a paper", "I need your help and I need a version of me to make this work that is better than me."

Notice that most of Wright's retroactive editing to make himself look like Satoshi took place in 2013-2014, shortly after Kleiman died. Perhaps Kleiman was the one who really wanted to keep Satoshi's identity a secret, but Wright had different ambitions and now he doesn't have his friend to rein him in anymore.

Well, according to one of the leaked e-mails, Wright originally wanted Kleiman's help in concealing his identity, but it's possible he could've changed his mind over time. http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Oqntva_c...

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Is Probably This Unknown Australian Genius?

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post #84

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I think a very small amount of stylometric analysis would cast a lot of doubt on this theory. Satoshi's grammar is always perfect. His sentences are tight. He's clear and to the point. Wright rambles; his grammar is terrible; he seems to have no idea what a comma is for. Scanning his blog for a minute, he comes across as the kind of slightly dotty kook who would try to convince people he's Satoshi with this kind of "…

Satoshi is two people - Wright and Kleiman. Kleiman was responsible for the public Satoshi writing, and he doesn't have any of his own writing samples online that aren't co-authored to make a stylometric comparison against.

This seems extremely reasonable and possible.

Do we have any evidence of what kind of person Kleiman was?

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Is Probably This Unknown Australian Genius?

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post #132

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Does anyone have source code of Nick's from around the time period of what Satoshi submitted? Satoshi's style is so weird that Nick's should be the same unless the style was itself an obfuscation.

Got any examples of the weirdness in the original code?

I didn't read it. People that fo writeups on Satoshi and people who read the code always mention it's weird style. Irritates them, even.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Is Probably This Unknown Australian Genius?

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Just to be a bit pedantic, he's estimated to have ~1.1M coins, which at current market prices would be worth $440M (9 figure wealth isn't a billion, but 'only' in the hundreds of milloins). Obviously he'd destroy the book on any exchange if he tried to cash out so it's probably worth much less than that.

The owner of those 1.1 million bitcoins can cash them out easily enough - without ever selling a single coin onto the open market. Walk into the offices of Andreessen Horowitz and tell them you want out. Those million bitcoins would be extremely valuable to anyone looking to build a large foundation of businesses around bitcoin.

That's a good idea.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Is Probably This Unknown Australian Genius?

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Confirming it based on the same leaked information which can't entirely be corroborated.

The interesting thing about these claims is that they tie so many parties together, I think ongoing investigations will be able to figure out whether all of this is true. While so much seems 'too good to be true' and potentially a plant, it is quite incredible that someone would put this all together after the fact to make a perfect fitting story. Either some ends won't meet, or we'll have the answer at long last.

I don't really understand. If he is claiming to Satoshi (as some people have mentioned, although all I've seen is stuff leaked about him) can't he just sign a message with Satoshi's widely known PGP key?

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Is Probably This Unknown Australian Genius?

#148
post #22

Worth noting that the main source on this is Gwern ( https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=gwern ). Gwern, care to comment?

Can you share where you see that Gwern is the source?

first line on the page: > ANDY GREENBERG AND GWERN BRANWEN

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Is Probably This Unknown Australian Genius?

#149
post #112

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I think that's plausible particularly because he emailed someone asking them to leak his message about not being Dorian, and that person heavily edited / redacted it; it's quite possible that is a recurring theme. Also in the Gawker article we are told Wright emailed Kleiman asking for "help editing a paper", "I need your help and I need a version of me to make this work that is better than me."

Notice that most of Wright's retroactive editing to make himself look like Satoshi took place in 2013-2014, shortly after Kleiman died. Perhaps Kleiman was the one who really wanted to keep Satoshi's identity a secret, but Wright had different ambitions and now he doesn't have his friend to rein him in anymore.

Or Kleiman & Wright formed the Satoshi identity as a collaboration, and after Kleiman died, Wright decided to edit the historical record to take more of the credit for himself.
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