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Facebook '2G Tuesdays' to better understand markets like India

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Re: Facebook '2G Tuesdays' to better understand markets like India

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What facebook needs to realize is that 2G is not the only factor because of which people don't use the facebook app. First of all the app takes too much resources and makes the phone sluggish, especially on low end phones which are very common here. (Messenger is big offender here) I believe one of the reasons why whatsapp became so popular was that it was faster to use than facebook's messenger and you could easily…

From what I read somewhere Facebook was making their mobile engineers use their app on older Androids (and maybe iPhones), which turned out to be very frustrating for them. I'm sure they are aware of the problem...

Re: Facebook '2G Tuesdays' to better understand markets like India

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We, at hike ( http://www.hike.in ), did following things: 1. gave the cheap android smartphone to use as their primary phone 2. asked employees to stay on 2G on their mobile phones It helped a us lot to improve our product for India market.

Your landing page takes 15 seconds to load on a simulated "Regular 3G" connection in Chrome. If you'd like I could walk you through fixing some of the most obvious problems, my contact info is in my profile.

the most obvious problems are that he don't concat images/js/css.

No SSL, No HTTP2/PageSpeed. Html not concated.

No additional server in america. It sucks to connect from Germany. It's twice as fast to connect to Servers in America so ALWAYS have a US Region.

I hope their messenger is better.

Re: Facebook '2G Tuesdays' to better understand markets like India

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post #118

Do Facebookers never venture outside of cities? Because maybe the UK is weird, but getting 2G even in developed areas isn't that uncommon for me. Sure there's 4G in cities and 3G in many places, but there's plenty of places with poor signal or outdated transmitters (like the town I live in). (This is especially noticeable if you're in a train or a bus where you're frequently changing cells.)

I have to say, when I visited the UK from the US last fall, for the first time with a smartphone, I was amazed at how atrocious the mobile coverage was. I did my research beforehand and went with Vodafone as I expected the best coverage. From the time I activated my phone in Bath, through 3 days driving through Wales, and then up the motorway towards Edinburgh, I got GPRS and EDGE if I was lucky . I think I only occa…

I don't know why you had problems in towns, that seems strange. I did a trip to Wales and the English Midlands, and had no problems with O2, or my friend with Vodafone — I have photo check-ins from mountains and valleys in Wales to show for it.

Having said that, Vodafone has a reputation for good 2G coverage, but I don't think that holds for 3G or 4G. It could also be a bit out of date.

https://www.vodafone.co.uk/explore/network/uk-coverage-map/

I think it's telling that Vodafone's 2G map shows the whole country, but the 3G and 4G maps are limited to a high zoom, so you don't get an overview.

The government regulator has a map which gives a fair comparison: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/mobile-coverage.

For anyone else doing something similar, EE would be the best choice.

Re: Facebook '2G Tuesdays' to better understand markets like India

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post #137

What facebook needs to realize is that 2G is not the only factor because of which people don't use the facebook app. First of all the app takes too much resources and makes the phone sluggish, especially on low end phones which are very common here. (Messenger is big offender here) I believe one of the reasons why whatsapp became so popular was that it was faster to use than facebook's messenger and you could easily…

> whatsapp Whatsapp is just as bad. Disallowing it from running in the background extends my battery life from under a day to over 2 days. Why are these messaging apps so resource hungry?

I know all of this thanks to an old lecture I once attended (not a phone dev), so my information might be a bit off and outdated, but in broad strokes: it's partially due to naive programming practices, but phone manufacturers are also somewhat to blame.

Every app has to poll for new messages on their own. That means opening up a connection just to see if something new is there.

To give an analogy that's easy to grasp: imagine a giant sluice, big enough to fit two oil tankers. Opening a connection is like sending boats through it, the boats are the data, and the water is the power used each time. Now this sluice is a bit funny: once you operate it, it's very efficient and automatic, but it runs twenty times. In other words, you want have at least forty big-ass boats full of data to send through if you don't want to waste energy (to be clear, I just pulled these numbers out of the air; and in a real sluice that would be forty boats both ways, but internet connections are a bit different).

Now imagine you just send a teeny tiny boat checking for new messages each time. If there's a message, data will be sent back (other boats). If not, due to how 2/3/4G work, the sluice will still open and close forty times. That'a s LOT of wasted water. It also takes time to operate the sluice.

Not everyone who develops these apps is aware of this, so some naive app developers poll all the time.

What would be amazing if the phone OS provided some sort of batching system where these polling messages would queue up, and it would connect for all of them at once. I dunno, maybe the newer phones have something like that.

Re: Facebook '2G Tuesdays' to better understand markets like India

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post #137

What facebook needs to realize is that 2G is not the only factor because of which people don't use the facebook app. First of all the app takes too much resources and makes the phone sluggish, especially on low end phones which are very common here. (Messenger is big offender here) I believe one of the reasons why whatsapp became so popular was that it was faster to use than facebook's messenger and you could easily…

> whatsapp Whatsapp is just as bad. Disallowing it from running in the background extends my battery life from under a day to over 2 days. Why are these messaging apps so resource hungry?

I'm on 4G network, and with a not so bad mobile pone. Huawei P8 lite (2Gb Ram). If i have facebook and messenger apps running, I can't get one day of battery life. Don't really understand why there apps are so power intensive.

Re: Facebook '2G Tuesdays' to better understand markets like India

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post #73
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your landing page takes 15 seconds to load on a simulated "Regular 3G" connection in Chrome. If you'd like I could walk you through fixing some of the most obvious problems, my contact info is in my profile.

I need help understanding why this is being down voted.

I assume that it is because of the attempt to take the discussion offline when the information is probably relevant to the discussion and therefore relevant to multiple readers. Must discussion forums frown upon that.

Re: Facebook '2G Tuesdays' to better understand markets like India

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post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to say, when I visited the UK from the US last fall, for the first time with a smartphone, I was amazed at how atrocious the mobile coverage was. I did my research beforehand and went with Vodafone as I expected the best coverage. From the time I activated my phone in Bath, through 3 days driving through Wales, and then up the motorway towards Edinburgh, I got GPRS and EDGE if I was lucky . I think I only occa…

I think that was merely an incorrect perception. The US had substantial 4G coverage long before Europe did. As a whole Europe has been far behind on 4G adoption until recently. The same is true about broadband speeds. It's widely believed, incorrectly so, that the US lags massively behind Europe on broadband. It's not true however, it's little more than a bogus bashing point spread around online. The US has comparabl…

Which is, btw, really surprising because the US had a avg. speed of 6.0 in 2013 and 11.5 in 2014, while Germany only improved from 7.7 to 8.7.

IMHO that's really strange...

Did something major happen between 2013 and 2014? Because otherwise I can't think of any reason that would double the average speed of a whole country with a population of over 300 million.

Re: Facebook '2G Tuesdays' to better understand markets like India

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post #137

What facebook needs to realize is that 2G is not the only factor because of which people don't use the facebook app. First of all the app takes too much resources and makes the phone sluggish, especially on low end phones which are very common here. (Messenger is big offender here) I believe one of the reasons why whatsapp became so popular was that it was faster to use than facebook's messenger and you could easily…

Interesting. Maybe I'm using the wrong browser (default and Chrome), but one of the primary reasons I stick to the FB and Messenger apps is because the browser on my phone (Galaxy S4) basically kills the device. I prefer "sluggish" to "so slow that you want to throw your phone out of the window".
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