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Re: What Refugees Bring When They Run for Their Lives

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Post by emp_zealoth » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 6:12 AM UTC

Steko wrote: post #99

bordercases wrote: post #92

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Would I have been better off if I just said "(rape!)" (i.e. remove "town")? Just saying "sex market imbalance" felt too P.C. when the real consequence I was trying to emphasize was yeah, guys are going to behave sexually aggressively towards women when they're economically starving and there are more guys than there are women to go around.

I believe "rape!" is nearly as bad as it's still just charged invective. A more neutral construction would be something like, 'leading to an increase in ' and I would have no objection to that.

Why not call problems by their name? Does calling rape an increase in sex crimes helps the victim? No, it waters down the problem so some people can keep living in a fantasy bubble, which could pop when facing pointy, definite words like rape, that just happen to describe the problem

Re: What Refugees Bring When They Run for Their Lives

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Post by eru » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 7:48 AM UTC

vixen99 wrote: post #100

Squarel wrote: post #48

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I saw the data you linked, but I don't see the "poor". From what I see, they make up a range of demographics and educational levels. As to why they did not bring their families over in the first place? That is usually because they want to make sure they have somewhere to stay before bringing their families over. Bigger picture. The population of Europe as a whole is 740 million or so. Even if the entire population of…

Why don't you mention the predominant religion of the migrants and culture shock? Islam is a way of life not just a religion. Literally following the Koran is not compatible with life in the West as indeed with the Christian Bible. You soon get arrested in the UK for proclaiming statements from the Bible (on homosexuality for instance). Interestingly, not so if the text is the Koran. But that's another matter.

Following the Christian Bible is not all that compatible with life in Europe, either.

Re: What Refugees Bring When They Run for Their Lives

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Post by iaskwhy » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 8:12 AM UTC

emp_zealoth wrote: post #140

iaskwhy wrote: post #123

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There is a huge difference between seeing an informed documentary and seeing an out of context video. For example, it's quite possible these people were rejecting food and water because they were tired of being beaten and hold up by the Hungarian police/military, as seen in lots of other videos. One should see these videos with an open mind and not with a preconceived idea because that's how it got us to be surprised…

And how exactly do you suggest to tell which is an informed documentary and which is out of context?

The easiest way is to try to look for confirmation or a denial of what you just saw. But in the given example all you have is a few minutes of video footage which doesn't give you any context. So in a documentary, you would expect those people rejecting water to explain why they are rejecting it, while in that video all you have is the images without any context. That's obvious, I'd say. Now, given this, you would be surprised by what people might say they are doing what they are doing, as shocking and uncomprehensible as it might seem in a video.

For example, I was having a lot of questions about the situation in Calais, France, why would there be people looking to risk their lifes to go from France to England? Seeing a couple of documentaries on this situations with interviews with some of the people there, I got a completely new insight into what's happening there.

Re: What Refugees Bring When They Run for Their Lives

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Post by emp_zealoth » Fri, Sep 18, 2015, 7:34 AM UTC

iaskwhy wrote: post #143

emp_zealoth wrote: post #140

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And how exactly do you suggest to tell which is an informed documentary and which is out of context?

The easiest way is to try to look for confirmation or a denial of what you just saw. But in the given example all you have is a few minutes of video footage which doesn't give you any context. So in a documentary, you would expect those people rejecting water to explain why they are rejecting it, while in that video all you have is the images without any context. That's obvious, I'd say. Now, given this, you would be…

The difference between a few minutes footage and cherrypicked longer footage is just money.

Just because it looks comprehensive doesn't mean it's not trying to spin a certain story.

I'm thoroughly sickened by masd media constantly trying to make it about little girls or shaggy people.

The footage from Hungary might be out of context, but one thing is visible - people there are perfectly fine physically. They are healthy, well fed. This alone should be enough to make one go "Hold on. This is weird"

And if they are rioting because they are being detained until some basic documentation can be set up, then well, fuck them. They come to our home and are already pushing our patience - we were kind enough to not go Saudi Arabia on them. They are not being instantly deported, nor shot.