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Re: Refugees Welcome

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We have our own continent to deal with. We already have hundreds of thousands of refugees coming to the US from central/south America every year. How many refugees are we supposed to accept anyway?

I didn't know there were any wars in South America, lately.

Most latin immigrants are economic refugees and those escaping local gangland violence rather than regime violence.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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post #98

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We have our own continent to deal with. We already have hundreds of thousands of refugees coming to the US from central/south America every year. How many refugees are we supposed to accept anyway?

As many as we can?

define "can"

Re: Refugees Welcome

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That's an ad hominem. Rather than debating the merits of his suggestion, you're attacking his person. Furthermore, it's not unreasonable for people living in one country to have opinions on the policies of others, especially when it's something like taking in refugees which has strong influences on a global scale.

I don't think ad hominem is necessarily a bad thing in this case; we practice it as a society by not counting votes from 17-yr-olds based not on the merits of their ideas, but their persons. And in this specific case: citizenship and residency ought to give one's voice more weight.

For sure, but we're not counting votes, we discussing policy. In the case of discussion the goal is to hear many sides and opinions of the merits and drawbacks of an issue. Just like how in an election non-voting minors can still participate in debate, in a discussion of policy I think we should still hear the opinions of others.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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post #128

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Extremist/nationalist parties are on the rise pretty much everywhere in Europe. Isn't it usually a good indicator that people are greatly unhappy? Granted that immigration may not be the only factor it is the favorite theme of nationalist groups. Edit: I guess I'm being downvoted for not providing sources, my bad. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/20/world/europe/rise-of-far-r... http://wilsonquarterly.com/stories/what-…

I think it might be a good indicator that people are frightened, which is different.

Let's say unsatisfied then :) Either because they're unhappy or scared, in any case, they're not comfortable with the current immigration policies.

Re: Refugees Welcome

#146

I really can't imagine anyone singing up for this except a few people. The recent waves or unchecked immigration has produced nothing but negative effects to the population, to such an extent that even recent immigrants themselves want the doors shut.

my parants did this last month and the process was really fast and easy. the did this to improve their Arabic and help 2 jung people in need. I would do the same, if i had the room and i'm glad my old room at my parents house finally is usefull again. also their small town is quit happy about the desition and quickly offert services and goods like language courses and a bicycle.

i worked in a refugee center and beleve me, it's nigther fun to be a refugee nor do you live the rich live (most foren education does not get recognize in austria), but you have made it in a save country. basicly its a bunch of people getting really bored waiting for their working permit, so why not integrate them turing this time??

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Sincerely. I'm European, I'm from Euro zone. I walk in the streets in my country's capital at night and a see dozens of homeless hungry people just by walking a couple of Km. I just can't put my head around on why we should help the refugees before we help our own people. It just doesn't make any sense to me. We are giving millions to find houses for these refugees/migrants but we let our own live and die on the stre…

You're setting an impossible precondition.

Nobody is ever going to give the homeless people sufficient aid; not only does it create peculiar incentives / traps at the margin, but it also isn't necessarily what homeless people would choose with their own free will. Not everyone willingly chooses to live in an institutional bureaucratic system when a freer life is still a possibility.

Refugees should be allowed to work. Finding homes for them and subsidising them without letting them work is a dreadful approach which will create even more problems.

Re: Refugees Welcome

#149

I would like to see the US step up its process to accept refugees. Currently it takes 18 to 24 months for refuges to be able to get on a plane the US. The US has agreed to accept up to 70k refugees yet at this rate it will take for ever while Germany has hundreds of new refuges per day. [1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/us-accept-thous...

I would like all the g8 countries including Russia China and Japan to accept their proportion of refugees. And also work deliberately to resolve the issues affecting the home countries. You can't just standby and hope the violence just miraculously disappears one day. It's going to take military confrontation and there will be casualties but waiting and standing by will result in greater casualties.
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