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Re: Reddit Chief Engineer Quits After Less Than Two Months on the Job

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What I find intriguing is that fact that they have 160m unique visitors and over 7 billion page views each month, yet they generated less than $8.3m in ad revenue last year. That just feels wrong, somehow...

People have been saying that about reddit for years. They overestimate "average" CPM by about 100x. People don't pay a lot for ads, and when they do, it's only on a fraction of the page views. Display advertising will not be reddit's "cash cow", it will be one pillar of many sources of revenue. The good news is, Steve and Alexis both know this.

Those figures always sounded surprising high to me.

The initial reddit page has one ad above the fold, but most detail pages have the ad placed way below the fold.

Re: Reddit Chief Engineer Quits After Less Than Two Months on the Job

#132

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What I find intriguing is that fact that they have 160m unique visitors and over 7 billion page views each month, yet they generated less than $8.3m in ad revenue last year. That just feels wrong, somehow...

People have been saying that about reddit for years. They overestimate "average" CPM by about 100x. People don't pay a lot for ads, and when they do, it's only on a fraction of the page views. Display advertising will not be reddit's "cash cow", it will be one pillar of many sources of revenue. The good news is, Steve and Alexis both know this.

Whether or not everything you say is true, they should be generating more than $8.3m in ad revenue.

Re: Reddit Chief Engineer Quits After Less Than Two Months on the Job

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"The company is growing, and we have the opportunity to improve in many areas — including the number of women in leadership positions. I am confident in our ability to recruit women at the executive level, as we have made a point to do so at Hipmunk, where more than half of the executives are women." I don't know about anyone else, but comments like that make a company less desirable as a place to work because factor…

I hate to argue morals over the internet but this policy can make economical sense. If you're willing to assume that companies (including your own company) (unconsciously) discriminate against women then it makes sense to actively recruit women. Demand for women at a particular level will be lower so you get more for less.

Re: Reddit Chief Engineer Quits After Less Than Two Months on the Job

#134

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People have been saying that about reddit for years. They overestimate "average" CPM by about 100x. People don't pay a lot for ads, and when they do, it's only on a fraction of the page views. Display advertising will not be reddit's "cash cow", it will be one pillar of many sources of revenue. The good news is, Steve and Alexis both know this.

Whether or not everything you say is true, they should be generating more than $8.3m in ad revenue.

I should clarify that I worked at reddit and speak from experience and not conjecture. Selling ads on reddit is hard, I'm actually impressed that they made that much from display ads last year.

Re: Reddit Chief Engineer Quits After Less Than Two Months on the Job

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From the outside it looked more like Ellen was focused on improving the monetization prospects rather than focusing on growth. In particular, placing limits on abusive content and users would make the site more attractive to advertisers. Firing Victoria fit the same motive -- monetize the most popular product (AMAs). Reddit leadership wanted to explore ways to monetize that feature, and for some undisclosed reason Vi…

>In particular, placing limits on abusive content and users would make the site more attractive to advertisers. I see no problem with this. I purposely avoid recommending or even mentioning reddit to the people in my life because of all the horrible content on the site. I won't promote these subs, but there are many, many popular racist subs and subs that promote violence against women and, hell, one that is dedicate…

I tried not to make any judgement about the changes, just to analyze the motive. It has always been a Sisyphean struggle to sell ads on Reddit -- in large part because the content is so unpredictable. Whatever access they can provide for a brand to connect with a target demographic has to be weighed against the cost of being embroiled in controversy for advertising alongside the content that shows up on Reddit.

Re: Reddit Chief Engineer Quits After Less Than Two Months on the Job

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When Victoria was fired, the _perception_ was (possibly incorrect, as we know now) that it was Pao's decision. Not unreasonably, since most personnel decisions below the CEO are made by the CEO. So the original premise still stands.

Pao's most vocal detractors "perceived" all sorts of crazy things, from malicious edits (ranging from comments about Pao's husband to moderation of stories about the Trans Pacific Partnership) to a holy crusade against just the kinds of hate speech Pao didn't like, so no, I don't think I'm required to accept the argument that in this case, perception is nearly as important as reality. No, I do not believe you have es…

1. A well-liked/respected employee is abruptly fired. 2. In most businesses, the CEO does all the firings (or is responsible). 3. I liked the fired employee, I thought she did a great job, therefore I am angry at the CEO.

Are you saying you need to be a crazy/malicious person to follow the above logic? Are all the 250K people who signed the petition crazy or malicious?

Re: Reddit Chief Engineer Quits After Less Than Two Months on the Job

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Have a link handy? I can't find it. My memory was he's said a lot of things like "we messed up" and "we could have handled it better". Nothing that says he personally is responsible.

I'm looking at the text I was talking about right now. You can find it, or take my word that I'm not making it up, but if you're going to debate this particular issue with me, I'm going to ask you to do your own homework. :)

You made the claim. I provided a link with my own claim because it's the polite thing to do and furthers the conversation.

Re: Reddit Chief Engineer Quits After Less Than Two Months on the Job

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It's not longer more. His "making a point" has already exceeded 50% by his own admission. That's over-correction and he doesn't see a problem in that? I'm in favor of people who try to achieve equality. When you adopt a policy that results in over-correction and don't steer back to a position of equality, then the side effects are indistinguishable from the disease it was meant to cure.

Are the effects really indistinguishable? Ok maybe you have a slightly smaller chance of getting a job at Reddit. At least you can take comfort in the knowledge that in almost any conceivable institution or situation you're doing doing pretty well. I'm assuming your a white man (like myself) but please correct me if I'm wrong. Point is: we've had a good run. If a few extra women get hired at Reddit, we're still doing…

I'm mostly white and adopt a cisgender disposition, but identify as agender.

If you think this is a change in attitudes that is isolated to just reddit and hipmunk then you haven't been paying attention.

There is someone with whom I work with or worked that often states/stated how much she hates|dislikes white guys|males|bros|dudes. Yes, those exact words or combination thereof. This happens/happened at least once a week if not more often. It is/was not even subtle or discrete. Sometimes these statements would be uttered aggressively in meetings with a bunch of people present. The culture in SV is such that everyone pretty much tolerates/accepts these statements. If the racial adjective where switched with any other to describe a different race and/or the gendered plural noun were switched for one that described women or anyone else on the gender spectrum, that person would already be talking to HR if not out the door already. Furthermore, this person is/was involved in hiring, which means it's likely gender is a consideration in hire / no hire decisions made. If this isn't toxic, then I don't know what qualifies as toxic.

Another example of the toxicity of this was when I saw Rena Kopelman (of the Kopelman Foundation) giving a talk about how to increase diversity and opportunity for under-privileged groups. I was totally on board with a lot of the talk until she start railing against efforts to making it easier for talented individuals with the right skills to emigrate to the US in search of better opportunities in the US technology industry. I don't see how an anti-immigration position does anything but further reinforce barriers that discriminate against those that didn't have the privilege of being born in the right country.

In terms of privileges, my gender and race have been very very minor advantages. By far the number one privilege I enjoy is having had the opportunity to become a native English speaker despite the fact that English was not my first language. I moved to the states when I was four years old speaking another language, but I moved here early enough that no one can tell I'm not American. Speaking English and not having and accent is many times more advantageous than my gender. After that the privilege of having moved to and grown up in the US comes next (growing up in Western Europe would have also been advantageous, but not nearly as much as growing up in the US for the career I have). Next up comes growing up relatively affluent. Far behind those three would be being mixed race, but mostly caucasian (I got enough Anglo-Saxon genes to dominate the South American genes). Well behind my racial makeup is my gender. I actually can't think of a situation where it was a factor in why I have the jobs I had. In my current job, I was referred to the recruiting department by a well known open source developer who works at the company. I got to know him and earned the recommendation by contributing to open source projects of his under a pseudonym.

If you are a US citizen (or Australian citizen because of the E-3 visa) and speak English natively, you are already far more privileged than most of the white males in the world in terms of getting a job in Silicon Valley.

Like I said in my other comment, my position here isn't about me or any privileges I personally benefit from, but about the environment that is being fostered that my children will inherit once I decide to have a family. If I were about 50-55 years old today, that could be my daughter that gets a position in academia due to her gender or it could be my son that is turned down for position in Academia due to his gender. My position isn't about "us having a good run" and trying to maintain that for my gender. I agree with the goals, but oppose the means being used to achieve it.

If you want to see other first hand examples of this toxicity in action, just go look up some op-ed pieces from The Advocate discussing the discourse around "white male privilege" from the perspective of a gay or bisexual white male. It's entirely possible to be a white male and know what it is like to be discriminated against. If you happen to experience discrimination for other reasons besides your race and gender, you become aware of how the current attitudes of trying to solve discrimination with discrimination is toxic and counter productive as it breeds resentment and opposition from those who would otherwise be allies.

http://www.advocate.com/politics/commentary/2011/01/20/im-wh...

http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2014/12/08/op-ed-privileg...

http://www.advocate.com/commentary/tyler-curry/2014/04/25/op...

I'm an ally of equality, but I am not an ally of those that adopt tactics to achieve equality like those being promoted by Steve Huffman.

Re: Reddit Chief Engineer Quits After Less Than Two Months on the Job

#139

"The company is growing, and we have the opportunity to improve in many areas — including the number of women in leadership positions. I am confident in our ability to recruit women at the executive level, as we have made a point to do so at Hipmunk, where more than half of the executives are women." I don't know about anyone else, but comments like that make a company less desirable as a place to work because factor…

I hate to argue morals over the internet but this policy can make economical sense. If you're willing to assume that companies (including your own company) (unconsciously) discriminate against women then it makes sense to actively recruit women. Demand for women at a particular level will be lower so you get more for less.

    "Demand for women at a particular level will be lower so 
    you get more for less."
I don't think that is your intent, but it sounds like you are you proposing that an equally qualified woman hire be paid less than their male counterpart.

That said, demand is not less. Demand couldn't be higher. I haven't worked anywhere in Silicon Valley that didn't wish that they had more female employees and more female candidates, especially for engineering positions. The problem isn't demand, but (1) supply and (2) the fact that most people have no idea how to find qualified women who are in the industry.

I won't comment on any particular one of my past employers or current employer, but I have worked at companies that really struggled with the latter. It's a hard problem to solve that is really demanding of attention to succeed at. Furthermore, when you're trying to get traction, foster growth and improve your product, you don't have time to focus extra effort trying to hire one particular demographic in the current job market. Right now, everyone is struggling to find and recruit any qualified engineers regardless of whatever demographics they might happen to represent.

Re: Reddit Chief Engineer Quits After Less Than Two Months on the Job

#140

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Do you have a reason to claim that Bethanye is lying?

No, and I object to the argument that I said anything of the sort. If you want to debate things with me, please don't start by imposing inflammatory and stupid positions on me.

> No

So then there is no reason to believe that her leaving has anything to do with gender.

> and I object to the argument that I said anything of the sort. If you want to debate things with me, please don't start by imposing inflammatory and stupid positions on me.

I'm not the one that started by posting an inflammatory comment that suggested Bethanye left because of gender issues. If you didn't mean to suggest that Bethanye left because of gender issues, your comment should be corrected.

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