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Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

#131
I've had similar problems over the last year or two with Gmail and with Outlook/Live Mail.

Our 2 person small time company sends a few hundred mails a month at most. We replay to someone on Gmail and get spam-binned. They whitelist us, we reply again and get spam binned. We send the mail via a major provider and it gets through.

On Outlook a website mail form sending emails to a hotmail.co.uk address was getting blocked - the server has the same IP it's had for years, the form has been used for years, the recipient has whitelisted the email address. I forget what eventually fixed it, think it was addition of a reply-to address; quite ridiculous.

In both cases they are long term domains with real ID info that hasn't changed, the domains have been on the same IP held by the same ISP for at least 3 years and owned by the same owner used for the same businesses for at least 10 years. Both domains are long-term registered in (Google|Microsoft) analytics.

Yes I can see that such domains could be purchased by spammers and the prior owners may not change their ID info and the new holders may be able to purchase space on the old server and so keep the IP address (despite the established ISP having strong anti-spam policies) and may be able to then send out spam emails, but who would whitelist those emails???

IMO on either Outlook or Gmail if you whitelist something, even if it were spam from a known spammer, then they should let it through (sanitised if needs be). If they wanted to they could add a "99.999996% of others blocked this but you have whitelisted it, do you want to block emails from YourBestFriendWhoSendsSpam@theirISP.com in the future?".

/rant

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

#132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check the IP against the spam blacklists: http://mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx You might have to spin up a bunch of servers to find one which doesn't have a blacklisted IP. Then you have to build the IP's "reputation" with the various providers before you can send a significant amount of email through it.

These days, there are only a handful of IP-based blacklists where a listing result in more than low single-digit impact to your delivery rate; moreover, among industry insiders, Gmail isn't known to use any public IP-based blacklist for deliverability.

GMail may not use public blacklists, but they definitely have IP-based reputations that feed into other blacklists.

Just a few years ago, I personally experienced this sending email between two GMail accounts, and then I noticed that my (workplace!!) IP address ended up on a public blacklist within an hour. Fortunately I noticed fast enough to get it removed before any mail delivery was affected.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

#133
post #97

Hi, I'm Nicolò and I work in the deliverability team of Qboxmail.com. We have run into similar problems in the past. The reason of the behavior of Gmail with your domain is not easy to understand, a theory could be that in the past someone has used it for sending spam, and even if it was not your server, you are paying for this. The solution we have used, it was bring Gmail to understand that your emails have been se…

(There's a minor typo in your website: SMPT should be SMTP)

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

#134
post #97

Hi, I'm Nicolò and I work in the deliverability team of Qboxmail.com. We have run into similar problems in the past. The reason of the behavior of Gmail with your domain is not easy to understand, a theory could be that in the past someone has used it for sending spam, and even if it was not your server, you are paying for this. The solution we have used, it was bring Gmail to understand that your emails have been se…

Interesting - I cannot access this website because the domain is blocked by my company. We have 2 enterprise blacklist solutions to stop people from going to websites they shouldn't.

The reason given is "parked domain".

Edit: I am referring to the bitbin.de domain

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

#135
post #133
post #97

Hi, I'm Nicolò and I work in the deliverability team of Qboxmail.com. We have run into similar problems in the past. The reason of the behavior of Gmail with your domain is not easy to understand, a theory could be that in the past someone has used it for sending spam, and even if it was not your server, you are paying for this. The solution we have used, it was bring Gmail to understand that your emails have been se…

(There's a minor typo in your website: SMPT should be SMTP)

thanks! fixed!

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

#136
post #97

Hi, I'm Nicolò and I work in the deliverability team of Qboxmail.com. We have run into similar problems in the past. The reason of the behavior of Gmail with your domain is not easy to understand, a theory could be that in the past someone has used it for sending spam, and even if it was not your server, you are paying for this. The solution we have used, it was bring Gmail to understand that your emails have been se…

Interesting - I cannot access this website because the domain is blocked by my company. We have 2 enterprise blacklist solutions to stop people from going to websites they shouldn't. The reason given is "parked domain". Edit: I am referring to the bitbin.de domain

Thanks for the warn. We are going to verify it!

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

#137
post #97

Hi, I'm Nicolò and I work in the deliverability team of Qboxmail.com. We have run into similar problems in the past. The reason of the behavior of Gmail with your domain is not easy to understand, a theory could be that in the past someone has used it for sending spam, and even if it was not your server, you are paying for this. The solution we have used, it was bring Gmail to understand that your emails have been se…

Interesting - I cannot access this website because the domain is blocked by my company. We have 2 enterprise blacklist solutions to stop people from going to websites they shouldn't. The reason given is "parked domain". Edit: I am referring to the bitbin.de domain

It is a problem with the policies of your company. I don't know why they should have blacklisted our site, maybe they want to be sure that your email are managed by them :)

If you are curious, try to go on our italian website: qboxmail.it

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

#138
I've had similar, unfathomable problems with Gmail delivery for a long time, until I added a PTR record for reverse IP lookup for the IPv6 version of my IP address. That did the trick, I haven't had delivery trouble since, even without DKIM (but with SPF).

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

#139
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If the domain is bitbin.de and the mail server is hosted on the same server, it's probably Hetzner being scorched-earth for deliverability, just like any other major hosting provider will be. Email from AWS, Rackspace, Heroku etc. get a drastically higher starting spam score because people fire up servers there to spam. Running the email through something like Amazon SES or Mandrill would probably be helpful. Both ha…

While I don't doubt this, I often see from DIY types some really lazy smtp habits. If they don't have their reverse DNS matching the forward DNS as well as the HELO name matching that as well, then, yes, that will be a major red flag for anti-spam systems. Reverse DNS is pretty important and weighed heavily.

smtp delivery is something of a black art, but at the very least those things need to be set correctly. Its also worth mentioning that if you have 'spammy' applications that opt people in to mailings then a lot of people just get pissed off and click the 'junk' button over and over instead of unsubscribing properly. So think twice before auto-subing customers or enabling 'mail me replies' by default on forums and such.

I also learned the hard way that once you're on Cisco Ironport's spam list, then you really can't get off. There's no one to talk to. Its supposed to be automated. In practice, that means months before your domain is unblocked. I find most Ironport admins just use that sole list even while Cisco recommends they use many and weigh the average. After a stupid config change that opened our smtp to relaying, we got off everyone's blacklist but IronPort. IronPort is pretty much the defacto standard in several types of enterprise. My fix? Get a different IP address for the mail server.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

#140
> A few days ago, I attempted to e-mail a company regarding an online e-commerce order I had placed, from my personal address.

What? How does e-mailing a company end up with a bounce from ... Google Groups? (See attached screenshot of the bounce.)

Maybe the original outbound message had something funny in the To: or Cc: recipient lists.

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