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Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by thaumasiotes »

stinos wrote: post #99
venomsnake wrote: post #7

Why all of their screenshots are on laptops? Doesn't anyone use real computers anymore?

I sort of feel your sentiment, but the reasons given here in the comments are all valid as far as I can tell (for the majority of people, that is, not for everyone). I'm still using workstations but am too considering laptop + dock for the next purchase. Simply because it would mean I can have one device do it all instead of two. Only if your requirements for cpu/ram/expansion are really outside the 'standard' ranges…

I use a laptop because I can travel with it. But I plug in a real monitor because the laptop's screen is way too small. Using a laptop doesn't mean you have to use its screen.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by ninjaoxygen »

kozukumi wrote: post #24
agildehaus wrote: post #10

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Update often is the new mantra. Unfortunately that sometimes means "we can ship crap!".

Looks like you and I hit a nerve here on HN. You are right though. Microsoft will be shipping Windows 10 with an incomplete version of their new Edge browser with the promise of adding critical features such as extensions in the future. Basically Windows 10 won't really be feature complete RTM for another 6 months. Even if Microsoft want to pretend it is ready now. Edit: To clarify the "hit a nerve" bit, when I wrote…

This is their chosen strategy though, that as of Windows 10 there will no longer be full major Windows versions. Instead it will be an ongoing rolling release of incremental changes.

From a developer perspective, this sounds like a support nightmare given the number of potential configurations that could end up out there with no clear way of identifying them.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by dagw »

DigitalSea wrote: post #56
kozukumi wrote: post #5

I have been running the technical previews since the very start and I have to say I am quite surprised at the July 29th release date. Even today's builds are riddled with problems. They have a lot of work to do if they really think it will be consumer ready by the end of July.

It's the "lean startup" mantra often accepted in the startup world of "Ship early, ship often", but not the software world. Kind of ironic in my opinion.

"Ship early, ship often" Is fine for some neat, but ultimately not that important, software or service I'm trying out. It's slightly more problematic for the core software they want me to base everything else I do on.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by sangnoir »

joshuapants wrote: post #48
noselasd wrote: post #32

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"today's builds" arn't todays. They're months behind what MS are developing.

Undoubtedly, but the issue is that they only have 2 months to take care of any bugs in their recent code. If the tech preview builds are anything to go by, the stuff that hasn't been released yet is going to need a lot of testing and fixing. I don't think it's insurmountable, but they definitely have their work cut out for them.

> Undoubtedly, but the issue is that they only have 2 months to take care of any bugs in their recent code

Parent is suggesting that what you think is "recent code" isn't recent at all (if you mean the tech previews). The leaked internal builds are more recent, but only relatively so.Therefore you can't extrapolate the number of current bugs remaining from tech previews.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by kisna72 »

zanny wrote: post #127
melling wrote: post #80

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I'm a Mac user so I don't care too much. However, a lot of how Windows 10 will be perceived is from the online perception created. Most people in the world don't care about the little bugs, features, etc. They simply want to know if it's worth getting. If Windows 10 is reasonably good and tons of people upgrade from XP, for example, this will be a huge win for Microsoft and the entire community. If "reviewers" compla…

Unless MS changes their free upgrade policy to be every version of Windows since XP instead of 7 nobody using Vista / XP will upgrade because its expensive. Though the market share of XP has been dropping. The only real users left are those who don't know what an OS is and only uses it to check AOL in ie6 and businesses who are too stupid to upgrade their horribly dated software.

I would say its mostly people whose bosses think upgrading from windows XP is a extra cost they dont need.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by atap »

ikurei wrote: post #122
7952 wrote: post #30

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I have that on Ubuntu and it annoys the hell out of me. No I don't want to wait 0.5 seconds for a search result about Firefox just to open a browser!

You can disable it in about 10 seconds. Fro memory: press the Meta/Windows key; write "privacy" on the dash; a window with privacy options appears; hit the Search tab, disable the checkbox. It annoys me that it's there by default and non-technical users will not know how to do anything. There should be an option or warning on the dash itself.

If everyone wants it disabled, then it should be disabled by default.

If it's the type of thing no one would ever enable, unless it were defaulted as such, then it shouldn't even be there in the first place.

If someone paid money to put it there, then the person who agreed to do so isn't acting in the best interests of those they serve.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by usernick »

kozukumi wrote: post #24
agildehaus wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Update often is the new mantra. Unfortunately that sometimes means "we can ship crap!".

Looks like you and I hit a nerve here on HN. You are right though. Microsoft will be shipping Windows 10 with an incomplete version of their new Edge browser with the promise of adding critical features such as extensions in the future. Basically Windows 10 won't really be feature complete RTM for another 6 months. Even if Microsoft want to pretend it is ready now. Edit: To clarify the "hit a nerve" bit, when I wrote…

Are we calling extensions a "critical feature" of browsers now? They're certainly commonplace and expected but "critical"? Hardly.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by atap »

joshuapants wrote: post #45
xcogiz wrote: post #33

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Surely you can disable that in a relatively easy way? I'm thinking about trying linux and such comments kinda scare me.

It is easily disabled and is only a feature in Ubuntu's Unity desktop. If you use a different version of Ubuntu (GNOME, Mate, KDE, whatever else they offer now) it won't be an issue.

Don't make excuses for something that's very obviously antithetical to very premise of Linux and free, open-source software.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by [deleted] »

cm2187 wrote: post #84
kozukumi wrote: post #24

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Looks like you and I hit a nerve here on HN. You are right though. Microsoft will be shipping Windows 10 with an incomplete version of their new Edge browser with the promise of adding critical features such as extensions in the future. Basically Windows 10 won't really be feature complete RTM for another 6 months. Even if Microsoft want to pretend it is ready now. Edit: To clarify the "hit a nerve" bit, when I wrote…

I would be surprised if they would make such a gamble. The last thing they can afford is another PR disaster with Windows 10. Right now, there is very little incentive for a user to move on from Windows 7 on an existing machine, particularly if it is not touch enabled. Now imagine if they hear that Windows 10 is riddled with bugs and doesn't work.

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Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by hobs »

minot wrote: post #116
castell wrote: post #107

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Will Win10 ship with an optional Win7 theme? The "AeroGlass" theme was beautiful and my hardware is fast enough - sure some low end mobile hardware can't handle it. Will Win10 RTM still requires a Microsoft Outlook/Live/Passport/Hotmail-Account? The non-obvious small almost hidden "offline" profile option during Windows install wizard is not okay. It should be an equal option. And for OneDrive and Cortana there shoul…

> Will Win10 RTM still requires a Microsoft Outlook/Live/Passport/Hotmail-Account? The non-obvious small almost hidden "offline" profile option during Windows install wizard is not okay. It should be an equal option. It almost certainly will not. Even in Windows 8.1, I have had to disconnect from the Internet before creating the first user so Microsoft wouldn't fuss about it.

In 10 and 8.1 I chose "create an account" and then at the bottom there was a local user option. It still is obviously a dark pattern, but you shouldnt have to disconnect from the internet.
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