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Re: SpaceX Dragon CRS-6 Launch Webcast

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Still... you can't assign a probability to something that is, by definition, unknown. "This is just a complete guess..."

But you shouldn't also pretend you have zero information. They hit the barge last time, engineering principles are sound, so those two things alone give you an estimate of "quite likely". Yes, 80% is kind of arbitrary, but it tells you the same story as "quite likely" with an added benefit of being able to plug it into some math that will yield you better results than going with just words. See "If It’s Worth Doing,…

>But you shouldn't also pretend you have zero information.

If you've never done something before you really have no idea if it's going to work, and in rocket launch everything that occurs after the last failure is a complete unknown in terms of failure modes.

Now, if he'd made successful flyback stages before, or it was a relatively routine thing for the industry he might have a good enough feel to assign a ballpark number. But that's not the situation.

In the link you provided he uses computer failure as an example, where a person who is familiar with computers does have some information - I've owned my current rig for three years and it's never failed. If you told me you thought it has a 50% chance of failure next month I can pretty confidently say that's an overestimate.

But it's useless to pull numbers out of the air for something as complicated as SpaceX is trying to do.

Re: SpaceX Dragon CRS-6 Launch Webcast

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Pretty standard Kerbal landing - vertical ok, but too much lateral.

Just have to put those legs on struts sticking out the sides to give it a wider base!

Sure, but for that to be efficient you need aerodynamics based purely on mass and drag coefficient for each part.

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T+17m: Not a successful landing today. That sucks. Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/32jnyd/rspacex_crs6_... Edit: "Looks like Falcon landed fine, but excess lateral velocity caused it to tip over post landing" @elonmusk

Pretty standard Kerbal landing - vertical ok, but too much lateral.

Vertical ok only after you learn 5 m/s is TOO FAST.

Re: SpaceX Dragon CRS-6 Launch Webcast

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post #131

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But you shouldn't also pretend you have zero information. They hit the barge last time, engineering principles are sound, so those two things alone give you an estimate of "quite likely". Yes, 80% is kind of arbitrary, but it tells you the same story as "quite likely" with an added benefit of being able to plug it into some math that will yield you better results than going with just words. See "If It’s Worth Doing,…

>But you shouldn't also pretend you have zero information. If you've never done something before you really have no idea if it's going to work, and in rocket launch everything that occurs after the last failure is a complete unknown in terms of failure modes. Now, if he'd made successful flyback stages before, or it was a relatively routine thing for the industry he might have a good enough feel to assign a ballpark…

If you have an expectation, you have a probability. Not a numeric one, but a probability nonetheless.

Nobody has ever landed a rocket before. But we don't expect the rocket to turn into an alarm clock or suddenly develop antigravity. In fact, we have quite reasonable expectations on what behaviors the rocket will exhibit. We might, for instance, expect the rocket to crash more than we expect it to land. What else does that say rather than p(crash) > p(land)?

(Of course, this may well come down to "probability as ratio" vs. "probability as anticipation", which is probably a matter of preference.)

Re: SpaceX Dragon CRS-6 Launch Webcast

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post #96

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Just have to put those legs on struts sticking out the sides to give it a wider base!

Just how bad is salt water for the engines? Cut a hole in the landing barge and hit that, with struts mounted 2/3 of the way up to catch on the sides of the hole. Actually -- make the hole a steel cavity projecting below the waterline, with smooth sloped sides. Thus a miss hits the cavity side and the rocket slides down. Put thrusters at the top of the rocket to push against the pitch torque when the thing contacts t…

Water is not very compressible, and it's very cold. Two things that a hot, thin rocket engine probably won't like.

Re: SpaceX Dragon CRS-6 Launch Webcast

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How can that make sense? Until they actually get a successful landing they can't be sure they don't have a problem that causes a failure 100% of the time.

That's why it's a probability. Do you not understand how estimate work?

Yes, I do, and that's why I'm laughing at what you wrote. Just how do you arrive at a numeric probability for an event for which you have no way of assessing the likelihood of occurring?

Re: SpaceX Dragon CRS-6 Launch Webcast

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You guys know we are looking for software people, right? http://www.spacex.com/careers

Do you have any particular insights how to get a reply from the HR? Applied twice through this form to a super relevant position with matching skills -- no reply, not even a negative one. All at the time when I'm rejecting other offers expecting to have a chance to talk to SpaceX.

Hey, I work at SpaceX, and made the initial contact through HN. What kind of position are you looking for? If it's software, I can at least make sure someone internally looks at your resume.

Re: SpaceX Dragon CRS-6 Launch Webcast

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Do you have any particular insights how to get a reply from the HR? Applied twice through this form to a super relevant position with matching skills -- no reply, not even a negative one. All at the time when I'm rejecting other offers expecting to have a chance to talk to SpaceX.

Hey, I work at SpaceX, and made the initial contact through HN. What kind of position are you looking for? If it's software, I can at least make sure someone internally looks at your resume.

Hi, thanks for the reply! Yes, software development. Seattle office. My mail is spin.stabilized in the public google mail service.

Re: SpaceX Dragon CRS-6 Launch Webcast

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post #132
post #96

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Just have to put those legs on struts sticking out the sides to give it a wider base!

Sure, but for that to be efficient you need aerodynamics based purely on mass and drag coefficient for each part.

Having KSP stock aero in real life would be so amazing. For one, it would solve air transportation - just put a bunch of control surfaces in a circle and you get free lift!

Re: SpaceX Dragon CRS-6 Launch Webcast

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post #133

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Pretty standard Kerbal landing - vertical ok, but too much lateral.

Vertical ok only after you learn 5 m/s is TOO FAST.

That's the Kerbal way. First they hit it from the side because they run out of control fluid (say, electricity, in Kerbal terms); then they landed a-ok but tipped over. Next time they'll probably miscalculate the suicide burn and - because it's SpaceX - fourth time's a charm.
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