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Announcing the Surface 3

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Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by aasarava »

Someone1234 wrote: post #30

I own a Surface Pro 3, and when I first got it I'd describe the experience as just mediocre. However Microsoft has been aggressively updating the software as has Intel, and as a result of those effects the SP3 has really stepped up and is now quite a good little tablet/ultrabook combo. I only have two remaining concerns with the SP3: My i5 version continues to get extremely hot near the middle of the device (e.g. whe…

Amazon's Kindle Fire naming is equally painful. There's a Fire HD 7 and a Fire HD 7". Try buying accessories for the right one.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by tjoff »

Vexs wrote: post #71
Someone1234 wrote: post #64

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That 2 GB, 64 GB model just looks painful to use. I've seen a lot of Windows installs use up more than 64 GB, in particular as WinSXS grows as more updates are installed (thus more duplicate DLLs are stored). If anyone asked me, I'd describe 128 GB as the "minimum" storage needed for Windows. And even then you aren't storing much if any user data on it. 4 GB is the minimum I'd run anything newer than Windows XP on. T…

I really can't even use a computer that's less than 4 gb these days, especially once chrome gets it's grubby hands all over my RAM. Just running baseline I find that most windows systems take up about two GB of RAM, and after you load up chrome, word, whatever; it hits the 4GB+ range. I mean, we're starting to see phones with 2GB of ram, it's completely unacceptable for a modern tablet.

8 GB is absolute bare minimum in 2015 (I'd say 2012 but the world seems to disagree). I'd be very hesitant buying something today that didn't have 16 GB. Unfortunately that is quite hard to come by in the ultrabook range.

But 2 GB? And maximum 4 ? Just kills me inside. Way to ruin the device.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Spearchucker wrote: post #127
Someone1234 wrote: post #117

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> 128GB minimum storage? You'd have to be installing like a lot of software then? Nope. Windows grows over time. So a Windows install that fit into 40 GB would grow to over 100 GB over a two or three years. Heck we had to pull an entire rack of servers because the idiots that set them up partitioned the drive into a 100 GB C: and a massive D:, and Windows consumed all the space on C: just through Windows Update and t…

Err I'm running Windows 8 on a 32Gb HP Stream 7. Heaps of music, and 3 movies, and the recovery partition and still have 17GB free. What causes your install to grow so much?

Windows Update mostly.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by ZanyProgrammer »

mikeash wrote: post #121
dman wrote: post #77

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How much RAM does the Ipad have?

Current iPads have 1GB of RAM. They also constantly evict background applications and even backgrounded tabs in the web browser. Switching browser tabs on iOS is always a gamble as to whether it'll reload the page or not. This makes it impossible to, for example, write a comment in one tab while referencing some material in a different one with any kind of reliability. iOS is extremely memory efficient but it comes a…

The iPad Air 2 is the first iOS device with 2 GB of RAM, I believe.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by knweiss »

mikeash wrote: post #121
dman wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much RAM does the Ipad have?

Current iPads have 1GB of RAM. They also constantly evict background applications and even backgrounded tabs in the web browser. Switching browser tabs on iOS is always a gamble as to whether it'll reload the page or not. This makes it impossible to, for example, write a comment in one tab while referencing some material in a different one with any kind of reliability. iOS is extremely memory efficient but it comes a…

The iPad Air 2 has 2 GB RAM.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by slantyyz »

lmnm wrote: post #60

Granted this is anecdotal, but using a colleagues surface pro 2 recently was a frustrating experience. Keyboard had horrible response time and the device itself had a lag of a few seconds. Couldn't see myself using one anytime soon. That being said, I'll give the Surface 3 a test drive as I don't want to write off a new product based on the failings of its older siblings.

I've got a Surface Pro 1 and I don't notice that.

I do notice that the Surface Pro's performance can suck if you don't have the right settings in Windows Power Options, but that's not unique to the Surface. I had the same experience with my quad-core i7 laptop out of the box, and it was fixed by increasing the minimum CPU speed in the Power Options control panel.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by cududa »

Someone1234 wrote: post #117
stinos wrote: post #93

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128GB minimum storage? You'd have to be installing like a lot of software then? Even my main development machines (2 Visual Studio versions, 2 Matlab versions, 2 Labview versions, Office and utilities) only take 70-80GB. I think a more typical user like my mom who only uses a browser, office and some utilities would be just fine with 64GB for Windows and software. Also a bare Windows 10 install uses about 1 GB of ram…

> 128GB minimum storage? You'd have to be installing like a lot of software then? Nope. Windows grows over time. So a Windows install that fit into 40 GB would grow to over 100 GB over a two or three years. Heck we had to pull an entire rack of servers because the idiots that set them up partitioned the drive into a 100 GB C: and a massive D:, and Windows consumed all the space on C: just through Windows Update and t…

Not with Windows 10, that was a specific focus of it, and they've introduced new compression for OS files.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by slantyyz »

sz4kerto wrote: post #35
kyllo wrote: post #21

Does it overheat? Does it have a fan? Overheating and fan noise are a couple of the biggest complaints I heard about the Surface Pro 3.

Probably not/no, it doesn't. It has an Atom X7 with 2W SDP, while the least powerful Surface Pro 3 has 6W SDP, the i5 and i7 versions are somewhere closer to 10W.

When my Atom-based Vivotab Note runs at 100% CPU, it feels mildly warm. Which is nothing compared to when my Surface Pro 1 gets hot.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by vezycash »

Goronmon wrote: post #115
patja wrote: post #103

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What's puzzling is that in the "what's in the box" section of the product page, which is where I look for this kind of "gotcha", there is no mention or photo of the stylus being included. I'm sure it is, but it seems like a colossal marketing oversight to not explicitly state that the pen is included in the box. And in the tech specs it states there is support for the surface pen...but again nothing about a pen being…

I would assume that one of the pens would not be included then. Because it's specifically spelled out (and shown) as being included in the Surface 3 Pro.

The announcement page says pen wouldn't be included.
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