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Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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Is there something intrinsically bad about executing illegal arms dealers?

Mandatory execution sees offenders only as their offence, rather than human beings, and denies offenders the opportunity to change for the better. It is cynical and pessimistic.

Is there a mandatory execution for firearms violation in Singapore? I didn't think so.

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Every other way is up for debate? We have a good education system, and I would not trade our healthcare system for what you're likely used to; as a gay Singaporean, I have no curtailing of my social freedoms. I cannot marry or adopt legally yet, but that's the conversation that we're soon going to have (and which the "West" has only just recently gotten). The civil service is good. More can be done for the low income…

Most people here are ideologically committed to western concepts of freedom. It doesn't matter how good the results are as long as things aren't done their way.

What is your version of freedom?

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Let me clap for you because you have 2715 karma, you who look to have wasted all these trips to our region (how can you travel so much, yet absorb so little). Our entire nation is in mourning, but please do feel free to take keep taking uneducated potshots at a dead man using recycled sound-bites from the 90s, and displaying exactly why freedom of speech is overrated. We will return to pit our unsubstantiated anecdot…

"Asshole's dead. Good riddance. Stole power on a platform of communism, moved to totalitarianism / familial nepotism, set up his 'wealthy, modern' state by money laundering for Burmese junta, struck up a cheap friendship with US (easy sale: naval positioning for the straits, cable taps on comms, aggressively purchasing regional comms providers in places like .au), did a PR job on .sg's great 'democracy'. His biograph…

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/personal-attack.htm...

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I joined because I'm frankly a little amused by some of these comments. More totalitarian: how do you quantify that? I was born and brought up in Singapore and do business in all those countries (tech startup). That sentiment is alien (and not just because I'm Singaporean), it's because Malaysia for example is more totalitarian and is also on the way to becoming a failed state economically and socially. You seem to b…

What a surprise that you are Singaporean, lah.

What a surprise that you're an American who believes that your visits to such locations give you the divine right to tell us off (looking at your ignorant comments in the other threads). And that you would use 'lah' inappropriately.

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I downvoted you because you cherrypicked a quote from LKY without any context and of all people, you had to quote Chee Soon Juan - that quite shows that you don't have ground reality or an understanding of Singaporean politics. [Source: I'm Singaporean]

You haven't provided any supporting arguments. Perhaps you can tell us what the missing context is, or why using that quote means he has no understanding?

Using that quote means he has no understanding because Chee Soon Juan isn't what the OP portrays him to be, he isn't even what his own quote says he is.

It's completely factually wrong and there are few Singaporeans (even the ones in Chee's own party) who would give that quote (and the man who said it) any legitimacy whatsoever.

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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Every other way is up for debate? We have a good education system, and I would not trade our healthcare system for what you're likely used to; as a gay Singaporean, I have no curtailing of my social freedoms. I cannot marry or adopt legally yet, but that's the conversation that we're soon going to have (and which the "West" has only just recently gotten). The civil service is good. More can be done for the low income…

Most people here are ideologically committed to western concepts of freedom. It doesn't matter how good the results are as long as things aren't done their way.

I've come to see that listening to them talk about 'freedom' and about how we don't have any = somewhat the same as my strong beliefs that breakfast should always have curry and noodles. Never the twain shall meet. But I'm not the one telling them that curry and noodles are the only things anybody should eat. Eat horrible cereal and muesli and bacon if you have to.

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Far more totalitarian.

Singapore is authoritarian and corrupt but look at what happened to Anwar Ibrahim in Malaysia.

"Corrupt".

Care to substantiate that?

Singaporean in opposition politics here — desperately wanting to know.

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I'm a Singaporean. I've worked in opposition politics. I'm going to be voting this year. Here are a few thoughts: - your understanding of the Lees in Singapore have no historical context. You cannot view his leadership in a vacuum. You cannot look at Singapore politics and say it needs a dash of 'Western liberalism & democracy' and proclaim Chee Soon Juan one of its administrators. LKY, and the Singapore of his time,…

Oh, I actually agree with most (but not all) of what you say. The Workers Party is the only viable opposition at the moment, but this is largely because they are very careful to "play by the rules" and not antagonize the Government too much. What worries me, though, is that they are allowed to exist at the Government's forbearance. If they start to pose a real threat to the PAP's dominance, everything I've seen leads…

I think you'll see that this is not true anymore. 60% of Singapore did not vote for the opposition in 2011 because the majority of Singaporeans are afraid.

The PAP that you describe is no longer alive. It is one in which some of its top members are messaging me (a known volunteer for the opposition) and giggling with me over Amercians' perspectives of Singapore as seen on Hacker News.

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What a surprise that you are Singaporean, lah.

What a surprise that you're an American who believes that your visits to such locations give you the divine right to tell us off (looking at your ignorant comments in the other threads). And that you would use 'lah' inappropriately.

More baseless personal attacks. I'm neither American nor ignorant, and non-Singaporeans can surely see that. I am however deeply troubled by the assertion that my use of 'lah' may have been judged inappropriate! Singlish is clearly both stylish and useful, and has a definitively bright future in brainwashing, lah. Keep the language pure, latte. Live life on the edge: have another coffee. Political opposition indeed. More like forcibly conscripted psychological operations government mouthpiece.

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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What a surprise that you're an American who believes that your visits to such locations give you the divine right to tell us off (looking at your ignorant comments in the other threads). And that you would use 'lah' inappropriately.

More baseless personal attacks. I'm neither American nor ignorant, and non-Singaporeans can surely see that. I am however deeply troubled by the assertion that my use of 'lah' may have been judged inappropriate! Singlish is clearly both stylish and useful, and has a definitively bright future in brainwashing, lah. Keep the language pure, latte. Live life on the edge: have another coffee. Political opposition indeed.…

I'm troubled by your continued assertion that only your thoughts on Singapore count, more than that of any Singaporeans.

And that only you get to make personal attacks on anybody. Your thoughts are so clever and I am so intimidated. I must surely be wrong.

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