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Marijuana may be even safer than previously thought, researchers say

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Re: Marijuana may be even safer than previously thought, researchers say

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"There have been numerous studies in which the effects of marijuana have been assesed on performance in driving simulators and even a few studies conducted in city traffic. Much to everyone's surprise, the results of many of these studies revealed only relatively small impairments in driving skills, even after quite large doses of the drug. Several of the early studies showed no impairment at all, but as driving simu…

I'd rather just replace the ignition system with a short driving game that you have to complete to start the car I've heard there are cars with a breath analyzer connected to the ignition. A driving game would hopefully pick up more than alcohol, so I like that idea. Unfortunately, I suspect many drunk drivers will just do what they do with the current systems and have their sober girlfriend pass the test for them.

There is no breath analyzer for pot, or for other drugs, and the only tests available give results that aren't directly related to impairment. ie: A habitual user who isn't impaired can test the same as a casual user who is.

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I've never been a user, but I do support legalisation. The reason I support it even though I myself wouldn't benefit is: - It is at least as safe as tobacco and alcohol. So even if we leave the question of what is safer on the table, I think most people would agree based on available evidence that it isn't LESS safe than those two, and they're legal. - The "war on drugs" has been a disaster. It has actually hurt econ…

Agreed on the whole driving bit - but commensurately, whenever I'm in the US, I am astonished by how casually people drink and drive. Don't think it's a stoner problem, more an inconsiderate dickhead/cultural problem.

Can I just ask what you mean by "drink and drive": specifically, drink how much?

Re: Marijuana may be even safer than previously thought, researchers say

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I can't help but feel that statistic they're using is a little disingenuous. Yes cannabis has a ridiculously high lethal dose, more than you could ever smoke or consume. You'd basically have to create a concentrate and inject it directly or something. I don't think you should be saying that cannabis is 114 times less deadly than alcohol. There are other contributing factors that could cause harm. There seems to be no…

That's what I am wondering. I believe that Marijuana is safer in terms of unconditional risk of death. But suppose, I am a responsible adult choosing to consume a recreational dose of either alcohol, meth or marijuana, not planning on driving or doing anything irresponsible while under influence. Does the same still apply? For example, there has been research into negative effects of marijuana on cognition. I do support legalisation, but just wondering how applicable this research is to most people

Re: Marijuana may be even safer than previously thought, researchers say

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Agreed on the whole driving bit - but commensurately, whenever I'm in the US, I am astonished by how casually people drink and drive. Don't think it's a stoner problem, more an inconsiderate dickhead/cultural problem.

I think there are a couple of things with this. The legal limit in most of the US (0.08 BAC) is actually pretty high, so you can legally drink and drive. For example at that level a 220lb man can have four (American 1.5oz) shots and hit the road immediately at ~0.7. So most drinking and driving you might have seen probably isn't (at least legally). The second main reason is probably because there is no good mass tran…

A BAC of 0.08 is not high at all.

"Consider the 2000 federal law that pressured states to lower their BAC standards to 0.08 from 0.10. At the time, the average BAC in alcohol-related fatal accidents was 0.17, and two-thirds of such accidents involved drivers with BACs of 0.14 or higher."

http://reason.com/archives/2010/10/11/abolish-drunk-driving-...

Re: Marijuana may be even safer than previously thought, researchers say

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Don't see what is surprising in this article. I don't know anyone who claims you can easily consume enough marijuana to kill yourself. On the other hand, alcohol poisoning resulting in death is a well-known phenomenon. When people discuss the "dangers of marijuana", they aren't saying you will take a lethal dose. More typically, there are either claims of impacts on the brain, or claims that it is a gateway to potent…

>When people discuss the "dangers of marijuana", they aren't saying you will take a lethal dose. More typically, there are either claims of impacts on the brain, or claims that it is a gateway to potentially lethal drugs like cocaine or heroin.

It's long past time for those people to support their speculation.

Re: Marijuana may be even safer than previously thought, researchers say

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While I agree that the headline is click-baity, and the stats are a bit suspect, I still want to see headlines like these in the mainstream press, because it raises questions about why MJ is classified as a Schedule-I drug after all? I'm not a smoker (maybe once or twice a year, at most?). But the blatant lying by the government (that MJ has no medicinal value and is more dangerous than meth ), which flies in the fac…

Unless I'm mistaken, marijuana is a Schedule I drug. https://www.google.com/search?q=schedule+1+drugs&ie=utf-8&oe...

You are right. I corrected my comment.

Re: Marijuana may be even safer than previously thought, researchers say

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There are different driving cultures and becoming proficient in one style might look like bad driving to someone from another culture.

The amount of damaged cars and stationary objects and injured people in bad-driving countries belies that particular nugget of cultural relativism.

Is cross-country crash data available?

Re: Marijuana may be even safer than previously thought, researchers say

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I can't help but feel that statistic they're using is a little disingenuous. Yes cannabis has a ridiculously high lethal dose, more than you could ever smoke or consume. You'd basically have to create a concentrate and inject it directly or something. I don't think you should be saying that cannabis is 114 times less deadly than alcohol. There are other contributing factors that could cause harm. There seems to be no…

>There seems to be no research into carcinogenic qualities of cannabis smoke for example. Isn't part of the problem the fact that marijuana is scheduled as a drug so dangerous that it's incredibly difficult to do that research?

Marijuana and Heroin are both Schedule 1. the reasons for this cannot possibly be objective (and aren't).

Re: Marijuana may be even safer than previously thought, researchers say

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I've never been a user, but I do support legalisation. The reason I support it even though I myself wouldn't benefit is: - It is at least as safe as tobacco and alcohol. So even if we leave the question of what is safer on the table, I think most people would agree based on available evidence that it isn't LESS safe than those two, and they're legal. - The "war on drugs" has been a disaster. It has actually hurt econ…

> any mind altering substance (be it alcohol or weed) should have their driving privileges taken away

Such a blanket statement without any science backing is without merit. Even phrase "mind altering" is suspect as substances that increase mental focus, reaction time, and clarity all (probably) benefit driving ability.

Many substances are "mind altering". Nicotine, Caffeine, Endorphin (from exercise e.g.), even just sugar. Also, mental states; sleep-deprived, agitated, depressed.

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