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Re: Facebook Unveils Facebook at Work

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"Lars Rasmussen, the engineering director at Facebook who is heading up the project, had in his past once headed up one of the failed efforts at an enterprise social network, Google Wave." Lars Rasmussen was also the guy behind google maps. Seems a little unfair to set it up like the above.

Was Wave even a social network? I vaguely remember it being more like a real-time Google Docs before Google Docs went realtime.

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Re: Facebook Unveils Facebook at Work

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Yammer was twitter for work. Facebook rolled out its own version before anyone else does. But thats pretty much it. The very fact of facebook having an addiction component will work against it. I think managers would think twice before introducing a collaborating software where team would end up spending more time than actual work. I think for this very reason softwares like work wikis, sharepoint are so successful.…

Yammer _is_ Facebook for work, which is why I'm surprised that FB is releasing this product now, and that they expect much of a marketshare.

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Has anyone seen a work social network that wasn't a joke? We have one, and the only use is that your director/VP asks their org to follow them, and then posts various strategic stuff they want you to see. There's zero peer-to-peer usage at all.

I think this is because of the inherent inequality that exists at work. In a typical social network, everyone is essentially "equal" when it comes to who you know and interact with. At work, you necessarily are very closely involved with people who hold significant authority over you. Because of this, you have to act incredibly more guarded at work and on its related networks.

That's definitely a big part of it.

For a social network to have value, you need users who are compelled to frequently submit content. By adding a power structure, users have to evaluate their decisions, which can generate anxiety or extra work, leading to a drop off in contribution rate.

It's one of the reasons teenagers ditched Facebook once their parents joined.

Re: Facebook Unveils Facebook at Work

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Chatter got some use as a proper work social network when I was at Salesforce, currently at another company that also uses chatter and it's exactly as you mention, a barren land with the occasional person tooting their own horn "@VP @CEO @Mom"

We use Chatter where I work, and I think it's used pretty successfully. It's not exactly a "social network" because, let's face it, when you're at work, you're (hopefully) going to be a lot more professional and not treat it like Facebook. Instead, I'm seeing our sales team communicating with the product team to ask questions about our products, post suggestions they've received from clients, ask for example clients,…

No, I know, but I think I'd be much happier using something like slack.

I can always then connect it to Salesforce and any other third party systems via Zapier.

Re: Facebook Unveils Facebook at Work

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Awesome, pretty soon companies wont have to store any of "their" data on their own servers. Facebook - Company info/announcements/chat OneDrive/Google/Dropbox - Company documents VOIP Services - Company communications All stored in clear-text obviously (or at least not encrypted by company using the service before transfer to said services, same thing really). I myself think this trend is hilariously ridiculous, but…

I don't think you're a shrinking minority at all, especially since the article itself mentions that people are concerned. The problem with this approach is that you also give up control. Want an extra feature or bugfix? Petition FB and see if anything happens. Want to interface with some other system? Get used to browser hacks (cf all those things for Gmail). I also find it laughable that the article discussed whethe…

I'd absolutely switch jobs if I was required to set up a Facebook for Work account with my real information. Then again, I'm an engineer, and am allowed a certain amount of leeway with my crackpot privacy theories.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Well, Google does read your email to show you better ads. But they never made a secret of that. I really wish this trope would die already. Google is not a person. Google does not read your emails. Employees at Google aren't sitting there reading your emails. An algorithm scans your emails for certain keywords, and displays ads based off of what it finds. That is not the same thing as reading your emails, and it's…

I'd change that 'read' to 'scan' but I can't anymore. I really don't care about that particular phrasing. Not being a native speaker I don't think I'm even qualified to argue the semantics of the word 'read' and whether it can be applied to an algorithm or not. I was trying to point out that some level of snooping by the cloud providers themselves is going on right now. Note that I tried to defend Google's behavior b…

I think the important point here is that you still have some anonymity in the sense that your data is processed in the same way as everybody else's. Saying "Google reads your emails" is basically a fear-inducing way of saying "Google scans everybody's emails."

Yes, they scan your emails. But not _particularly_.

Re: Facebook Unveils Facebook at Work

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"Lars Rasmussen, the engineering director at Facebook who is heading up the project, had in his past once headed up one of the failed efforts at an enterprise social network, Google Wave." Lars Rasmussen was also the guy behind google maps. Seems a little unfair to set it up like the above.

It definitely should be noted, simply because Maps is such a huge success and professional achievement. On the other hand, this is relevant framing in the sense that he's probably learned a lot from Wave and will apply those lessons here.

It is relevant but could include maps as his other accomplishment to not brand him as a guy who potentially goes from failure to failure. He is a big deal behind one of the biggest digital innovations of all time IMHO.

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I wonder what it would take to get a passable OSS substitute to Facebook going in this space. You could host it on your own server(s) the same way you can host your own internal wiki that looks/feels just like Wikipedia. Why don't we have this already?

Would you pay for that? In something like a GitHub Enterprise setting, closed source but self-hosted? Something like FB-Groups for organizations of all kind fell out as a byproduct of our startup and we are toying with the idea of trying to sell that part in isolation. Basically you get your own, hosted / self-hosted FB-Groups, plus a bit more flexibility regarding permissions and group management. For example you co…

I think that would be basically competing with Yammer, which is owned by Microsoft.

Re: Facebook Unveils Facebook at Work

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I wonder what guarantees on data confidentiality will be offered? Facebook doesn't have a good reputation when it comes to privacy. I do not believe any serious workplace will trust them with handling any company data and IP.

Just think how convenient it'll be when Facebook CorpDev wants to approach your company. They won't even need to ask any questions!
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