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Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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I think Google alienated too much people (see the whatsapp case) now they're trying to get founders of startups onboard rather than people that go through their dog and pony show.

What happened with WhatsApp? I hadn't heard anything about this.

Mr Page ended up begging them not to sell to Facebook.

https://www.theinformation.com/Google-Was-Willing-to-Beat-Fa...

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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I'm having an incredibly hard time mustering up sympathy or concern for someone who feels they were "scammed" into interviewing for a job that could come with a $2 million signing bonus.

Even if it were the "golden handcuffs" situation someone posited in this thread, where the money would come over three or four years, it's a situation most people would be pleased as Punch to find themselves in.

Naturally, everyone thinks they're Tom Brady, and they're going to be the ones to be the next golden boy getting courted by M&A and feted by TechCrunch and all the rest. But most of us are really just the Danny Aikens of the world, working hard, in the game, happy to be paid for what we love to do.

The author wrote an app. By all accounts, it's a good idea, reasonably well-executed. Not world-changing, not something that's going to build a new industry and launch dozens of careers, or a service that will transform people's lives, or disrupt a market. A nice app.

For that, he's indignant that he might get a multi-million dollar signing bonus and a secure job at one of the largest and most influential corporations on the planet.

If there were ever an example of the arrogance and entitlement outsiders pin on Silicon Valley and the startup / tech community, this would be it. Work because you are passionate about it, because you want to build great things and meet great challenges. Be grateful that you have a good life. Life isn't a lottery.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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Salary + bonus + RSUs. It all depends on your grants, perf, etc.

That's pretty broad. What, $150k base for a good engineer then $50k cash bonus and $50k stock? That gets us to the lower end, and it's already way above the upper end of what I've heard. Are we talking about your average engineer in mid-career, or is this 10x 100x rockstar 0.1% could-totally-happen-to-you-though BS?

A level 5 engineer can pull $170-190k base. $30k bonus. Depending on RSU grants and refreshes, you'll can be vesting at least $100k per year. That puts you over $300k total compensation. Combined with benefits and perks, as well as good culture, you can imagine it's pretty hard to convince yourself to go elsewhere.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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Salary + bonus + RSUs. It all depends on your grants, perf, etc.

That's pretty broad. What, $150k base for a good engineer then $50k cash bonus and $50k stock? That gets us to the lower end, and it's already way above the upper end of what I've heard. Are we talking about your average engineer in mid-career, or is this 10x 100x rockstar 0.1% could-totally-happen-to-you-though BS?

250k is way above the upper end of what you've heard? I knew a guy who was at $200k at one of the usual suspects straight out of undergrad. It's easy for me to imagine twice that for people with more of a track record.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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I think there's an either-or fallacy here, it could have been an attempt at an acqui-hire, but when the people talking to him tried to push it through, other people reviewed the situation and decided just to offer a generous employment package. Consider, a single-engineer company with an interesting app and talented engineer, just how much do you expect to be acquired for? Recognize that a $1M-2M offer is about what…

$2M for an acquisition on top of an employment offer vs. $1M-$2M in salary and RSU's are vastly different in value.

The acquisition pathway with your numbers would be 2-3 times the value before you discount the present value of the salary and RSU's because of the additional risks associated (even assuming the acquisition amount would be similarly restricted and spread out over time). It seems like you assume that an acqui-hire would mean he'd sell and then not get a salary for four years.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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I was suggesting GPS wouldn't work with most rooms having ceilings. Wifi positioning I would imagine is highly inaccurate, which leaves the gyroscope. Judging by some screenshots and appstore comments I assume its only roughly accurate, and requires you to move your phone slowly between walls in straight lines (not via your pocket or around furniture for example). I think I would have immediately dismissed an idea li…

Ceilings usually aren't problematic for GPS. They do better out side, but if you get cell service through the ceiling, you'll get GPS signal through it. What I'm curious about is that GPS is only accurate to within a few meters. If I turn on my GPS and set it on my desk for an hour, the resulting track will look like it's bouncing around the room. My guess is this app averages a bunch of readings from each wall to co…

> if you get cell service through the ceiling, you'll get GPS signal through it.

Download one of the apps that shows individual GPS satellite signal strengths and tell me if you still believe this. Definitely not true for my phone.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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For a period I was heavily recruited by google. Their recruiters tried a great many variations of attempts to trick me into interviewing for a job. It seems weird that they would do this, because pretty soon, it would become obvious that it was a job interview and nothing more. Maybe there are a lot of talented engineers out there who are doing startups but aren't really committed to them and google manages via the f…

"What's wrong with this country? Can't a man walk down the street without being offered a job!?"

Yeah all the comments on here about being tricked into job interviews just seem so crazy to me. Is google really so desperate to interview people? I've always heard they get tons of applications and that it's incredibly difficult (and time consuming) to get an offer after an interview with them, so why would they be going through all of this trouble to get people in the funnel? I'm really not sure what to make of it all.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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The accelerometer and gyroscope. The double integral of acceleration is displacement. On iPhones/iOS it's extremely accurate to the point where you can integrate displacement from it and not be far off from the real result - over short timespans/distances anyways. One of the lesser-appreciated qualities of Apple hardware (more accurately, hardware and drivers) is the quality and accuracy of their sensors.

I have tried this as well - it was definitely not as simple as taking the double integral. In my experience moving and the stopping the phone would always end up with the two accelerations not exactly canceling out so that the calculated position would drift away from the true position at a constant rate. Even applying a floor to velocity to eliminate the drift, the distances calculated for simple linear motions were…

You could play substantial DSP style filtering games such that your average human walks at a very constant speed and is mostly either standing perfectly still or walking at a constant speed. So your non-moving data points are rounded to zero and generate an error signal, and your moving datapoints can be average together to a constant generating an error signal, and the error signals can be shared between the two data sets and analyzed and averaged. Also all data has a resultant spectrum when you ram it thru a FFT, and I'm guessing the data spectrum looks a lot different than a noise spectrum enabling all kinds of fun filtering. Further I'm guessing a FFT analysis will show peaks at stride rate, and variations in stride rate will predictably vary velocity.

My first guess was pure optical, an inside out 3-d scanner basically. OK, image analysis shows there's corners and walls, and the building code requires all doorknobs to be at exactly X inches off the floor, countertops Y off the floor, stairs of certain rise/run combos, and the room dimensions WILL round to closest integer inch so you do some curve fitting and the highest correlation dimensions win. Especially when in the article he described it as placing the phone against all the walls. A simple inertial nav system wouldn't care if you held the phone at an angle or upside down, but optical needs flatness. You'd be making one of those 360 degree panorama pix, kind of, then analyzing it.

Maybe I should be creating a 2 zillion pound startup instead of posting to HN?

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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For a period I was heavily recruited by google. Their recruiters tried a great many variations of attempts to trick me into interviewing for a job. It seems weird that they would do this, because pretty soon, it would become obvious that it was a job interview and nothing more. Maybe there are a lot of talented engineers out there who are doing startups but aren't really committed to them and google manages via the f…

A lot of recruiters at Google are temps and will lie through they're teeth in order to get candidates interested. Google still has a reputation of being an amazing workplace. This, however, is becoming less and less true. Just last week Victoria Lease resigned after months of sexual harassment without any consequence for the perpetrators. There are much better places to work for then Google these days. Disclaimer: I…

Are they paid on commission? It would explain a lot.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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I'm having an incredibly hard time mustering up sympathy or concern for someone who feels they were "scammed" into interviewing for a job that could come with a $2 million signing bonus. Even if it were the "golden handcuffs" situation someone posited in this thread, where the money would come over three or four years, it's a situation most people would be pleased as Punch to find themselves in. Naturally, everyone t…

I think you read a lot of things into this article that aren't there. This isn't about some entitlement to more money. The article is about deceptive recruiting practices at Google. Phone calls and emails filled with lies. Why would Google even need to lie about a potential acquisition (and name drop the founder) when they aren't even looking for one?

The OP just wants the Google person to say, "Hi, I'm from Google HR. Interested in talking about a job?" versus the smoke and mirrors they represented.

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