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Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

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Daily Telegraph is on it's last legs. It's going to die soon (thank god). Surprised to see articles posted here from it. Most of the reddit UK sites don't bother with them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Telegraph > Circulation 544,546 Daily[2] (as of March 2014) That's considerably more than the Guardian (at 186,000 daily) or the Independent (at less than 100,000) or both of them combined. Low quality means little in terms of sales - look at the god-awful Daily Mail.

Circulation on its own is not necessarily a health metric for companies.

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Mormons claim Christianity and espouse some Christian principals (i.e. blood atonement for sins of the world), although many of their beliefs (i.e. God is an evolved man and through adherence to Mormon doctrine men can become Gods after death) put them well outside the realm of what is considered mainstream Christianity. I'm not sure these additional beliefs necessarily disqualify them as "Christian" though as they d…

> i.e. blood atonement for sins of the world That was never a christian belief to begin with. The atonement was (supposedly) because of God's own incarnation as Christ, our of love, not because of some blood offering to God (i.e. the crucifixion, which was not even meant as such, anyway).

The redemption of sinful people via blood sacrifice is the single strongest theme in the entire Christian canon (the Bible). Jesus' death as payment for other people's sins is prophesied repeatedly, and confirmed after the fact. e.g. Isaiah (written 700 years before Jesus' birth) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+53&versi... and this letter to the Hebrews written about 30 years after his death https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+9-10&ve...

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i fasted for 14 days on spirulina tablets and water as an office bet to prove its effectiveness and still take it everyday. every now and then i do 3-5 day fast to cleanse my body, but technically i'm still eating food. i have yet to do any blood tests to prove its effectiveness besides my own experiments and what i've read. i also don't recommend people doing a fast for 14 days...maybe 3-5 days at first. after the f…

Can you share further reading material or studies behind spirulina?

yep. the book that started it all for me was called "superfoods" by david wolfe. the book is loaded with great info, specifically the index which has an amazing breakdown regarding specifics i.e: amino acids, vitamins, minerals, etc: https://imgur.com/a/mW9Oj

excerpt on gbooks:

http://books.google.com/books?id=N1DTZ18N-_YC&lpg=PA1&pg=PT1...

also, remember cyanobacteria was one of the first organisms to turn the sun for its energy. here is excerpt from Home documentary by Yann Arthus-Bertrand, that mentions cyanobacteria:

http://youtu.be/jqxENMKaeCU?t=5m47s

hope this helps.

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> i.e. blood atonement for sins of the world That was never a christian belief to begin with. The atonement was (supposedly) because of God's own incarnation as Christ, our of love, not because of some blood offering to God (i.e. the crucifixion, which was not even meant as such, anyway).

I realize modern religion has tried to blunt the concept (it's all about love etc)... but blood atonement figures very prominently in the doctrine presented in the bible... Romans3:25, Hebrews9:22, Rev1:5 for instance. There are plenty more. Very prominent concept. Which is why up until recently there was plenty of talk about being "washed in the blood" in Christian churches. (I believe the manifest brutal cruelty an…

I think the brutality must have been intentional. To the Romans, a "good death" was quick and painless. For example, if you were a citizen of Rome, then even if you were sentenced to death, you were guaranteed a beheading instead of something slower. To the Greeks, keeping the body intact was very important. That's why they gave Socrates hemlock to drink; even though it must have been agonizing, it was respectful because it maintained the integrity of his body. Jesus' death mixed the worst kind of death to both Greeks and Romans, and also fit in the curse that the Jews had against anyone who died hanging on a tree. This offensiveness is called out explicitly in 1 Corinthians 1 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+1...

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Can you share further reading material or studies behind spirulina?

The wikipedia page on the topic appears reasonably good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirulina_(dietary_supplement) However it can't be the only thing you eat. There were some studies about using spirulina on a spacecraft (or sub) for both 100% of oxygen and food. While it was feasible, it was pretty energy intensive and would tend to kill you after a few months. Something about more protein in the blood than your k…

i agree and mention that. i just did not want to fast without protein and other essential vitamins hence the idea to try it. i should have documented it more with vids, etc.

maybe it was the sodium?

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I have Crohn's disease, have therefore been exposed to numerous doubtful stories about 'boosting the immune' system. With my illness, a 'boost' would actually make me sicker, whereas I find that fasting for a couple of days results in improvement of symptoms for me. Why? Obviously because my digestive system becomes empty, and there is less irritation of damaged intestinal lining. Going by this study, an increased pr…

For your Crohn's, fasting would be similar to total bowel rest, wouldn't it? i.e. it would help the bowel heal.

Yes, I believe that is what happens. On the other hand, my symptoms often seem to improve if I eat pizza for each meal for 24hrs (order one night, consume left overs for the next day). :)

Crohn's is one illness that attracts more than it's fair share of woo and 'special diets' and so on. As a result I've become fairly sceptical of any one-off scientific papers that make certain claims, whether they are related to auto-immune diseases or not.

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If you're interested in this, watch Michael Mosley's BBC program on this from a few years back where he anecdotally had good results trying it himself: http://www.bbc.com/news/health-19112549 "I stuck to this diet for 5 weeks, during which time I lost nearly a stone and my blood markers, like IGF-1, glucose and cholesterol, improved. If I can sustain that, it will greatly reduce my risk of contracting age-related dis…

He's still doing it now, although just in 'maintenance mode' doing it 1 day per week instead of 2.

He's maintaining a website and has done a couple of books on fasting, and the 5:2 diet in particular: http://thefastdiet.co.uk/

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If God exists, I doubt he cares if we beleive in him or not. I like to beleive he would not be that insecure.

for the sake of argument let's assume there is a God. and let's say He was better than all the things He created. better than that awesome sunset that you saw that took your breath away; better than that favorite meal you love -- you know the one. love is giving the object of your love the best... the best you've got. what if God giving Himself was Love defined? just for argument's sake...

It certainly is reasonable to look for an archetype for what we consider transcendent acts and qualities. Even the most ardent atheist generally is moved by acts of mercy, heroics, sacrifice, and unmerited love.

His chosen framework cannot properly and consistently account for these things, perhaps the best he can do is proffer a narrative about bio-chemical impulses and evolutionary advantage -- but the transcendent "feel" at the end of the day seems no more than an illusion of nature.

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The wikipedia page on the topic appears reasonably good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirulina_(dietary_supplement) However it can't be the only thing you eat. There were some studies about using spirulina on a spacecraft (or sub) for both 100% of oxygen and food. While it was feasible, it was pretty energy intensive and would tend to kill you after a few months. Something about more protein in the blood than your k…

i agree and mention that. i just did not want to fast without protein and other essential vitamins hence the idea to try it. i should have documented it more with vids, etc. maybe it was the sodium?

I'm talking about the side effects of eating 2000 kcals of it a day. The quantities you were doing (150 kcals?) probably don't have those issues.

Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

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The word "regenerate" has got to be a bit of a stretch. It's not like decades of DNA mutations are going away.

I've done fasts on relatively nothing for over five days. Early on, you get some "empty-stomach intelligence" where your mind is just more alert because of plenty of oxygen (from not digesting) and probably some evolution that favored apes that got observant and driven when hungry as opposed to lazy.

Fasting long enough to get the effects in the paper will use up all your glycogen stocks. Read wiki on starvation for details, but basically you want to have a small supply of starches to keep your skeletal muscle from breaking down to feed your brain. About two days in, without some glucose supply, you will unavoidably slow down. Lethargy will commence when your brain is starving. It is not euphoric. It is the world slipping out of grip without you noticing.

As long as your taking care of your mandatory glucose supply, fasting over three days or more will lead to a common theme in all nutrition and health papers: all processes that break things down for re-use are up-regulated and all processes that consume resources are down-regulated.

It's not difficult to propose that a system composed of mostly brand-new, turned over cells and muscles with all their proteins aligned to the principle stresses is more protein efficient than one resulting from plenty of nutrients floating around like entrepreneurs with too much money. Fasting would be expected to result in general house-cleaning so that protein that's not accomplishing much ends up reallocated to doing something useful.

Some examples of where this shows up in scientific papers is the increased sensitivity to chemotherapy of cancer cells when the patient is fasting. One proposed mechanism was an up-regulation of registration for immune-system induced self-destruction through the normal pathway; a badly functioning protein might go ahead and function sufficiently in the up-regulated pathway.

More obvious benefits from fasting are the same as those of anything where you build up self-discipline and also getting in touch with the difference between hunger and a lack of being full; they are much more distinct after a fast. Cravings for sugar are gone because your hormones for hunger and satiety are all operating properly, as is your pancreas.

My favorite way to get empty is to just drink water and/or coffee (black) or tea. Fluids, no macro-nutrients. Get some glucose from some bread. Get some micro-nutrients from some yogurt and rabbit food. Let the rest slip into the starvation mode. Stress level and blood pressure will decline into a kind of euphoria as long as you don't over-do the calorie starving to the point that you're thinking on muscle protein.

I've done it. All the mechanisms have obvious symptoms. If you are just ketogenic and in starvation, you feel euphoric and completely without variations in energy. If you are beyond starvation and skeletal protein is being converted to glucose, you piss dark yellow and feel like you're on anesthetic. Either way you lose a lot of weight, your energy will regulate much more tightly, and you won't be bothered by hunger, and you'll be drinking coffee as nature intended it instead of some holiday special milk-shake.

It's well-established that reduced calorie diets promote longevity and that the spectrum of metabolic syndrome conditions are associated with all sorts of bad things, so although I'm not a doctor, I don't expect to have any regret about recommending anyone try coffee fasting to put their system through its paces.

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