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Re: Gmail blocked in China

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post #71

Two observations: 1) Since China effectively blocked most of Google's services (and uses Google's mobile operating system for free and makes a ton of money off it - look at Xiaomi), Isn't it basically that China was able to rob Google, and doesn't suffer any consequences from it? 2) Also most US websites are blocked in China (Google, Facebook, Dropbox, Youtube, Twitter, Wikipedia, NYTimes, the list goes on and on...)…

>>Why is it that the US government doesn't take any action against that

Because the US goverment is in league with China[1], and American voters have a non-pragmatic view of unilateral free-trade? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_fin...

Re: Gmail blocked in China

#132
post #18

Trade war imminent?

Its already happening in the form of non-unilateral trade policies. China is able to do what it wants in the US, but US companies are de-facto required to make vast contributions of intellectual property to do business in China.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

#133
post #44

The sentiment that access to Google services doesn't matter because there are sufficient Chinese replacements is absolutely wrong. The Chinese government is handicapping its tech labor development by blocking Google. I teach a basic web development workshop to university and vocational school students. One of the things we teach is how to look up things for youself on the internet. (Is that a cry of disbelief I hear?…

Ironically though, if there was to be no GFW in China, at least half of the web tech sector would disappear. Startups are in a weird place of suffering the most but also benefiting the most from the GFW.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

#134

Not surprising considering the tricks they've been pulling of late. What can be said here? The people have chosen an autocratic government and often, without me even provoking them, will tell me how superior is is to western values, the same way Russians will also do. As an international traveler and sometimes international worker, this is fairly typical stuff. I see this kind of thing on VK and Facebook all the time…

>> People just seem to prefer state controlled media or narratives that fit in with their biases Except when they don't. For example, it is not unreasonable to say that Putin lost the presidential elections in many regions (recall news stories where they showed 150% of the vote). Most importantly this 'perceived' popularity leads to people not turning out to vote, making it a self fulfilling prophecy. Indeed, the bas…

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp

Even one county with 100% votes for Obama is a sign of fraud.

You are hooked on simple journalistic reporting mistake and this hook does not do good for you reasoning.

To be clear, I think that Western people through all their hiatory enjoed a wast energy surplus. There were reports by early US settlers about buffalo herds that was to ride around in a day! The same is true for Europe.

This means where westerners can get away with some freedom, russians have to be very tight in their energy budget. For China it is about same - small group rules huge and diverse population and has to schedule resources mindfully. The situation hasn't changed since forever.

If you want to help Russia and/or China, open your IP to them. Take profits from not-energy-constrained West, help energy constrained East.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

#135

Not surprising considering the tricks they've been pulling of late. What can be said here? The people have chosen an autocratic government and often, without me even provoking them, will tell me how superior is is to western values, the same way Russians will also do. As an international traveler and sometimes international worker, this is fairly typical stuff. I see this kind of thing on VK and Facebook all the time…

>> People just seem to prefer state controlled media or narratives that fit in with their biases Except when they don't. For example, it is not unreasonable to say that Putin lost the presidential elections in many regions (recall news stories where they showed 150% of the vote). Most importantly this 'perceived' popularity leads to people not turning out to vote, making it a self fulfilling prophecy. Indeed, the bas…

I've spoken to quite a few Russian tourists that were very vocal in their support for Putin. I'm sure he has his critics too but there are definitely people drinking the kool-aid.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you only vote Republican or only vote Democrat in a sense you've limited yourself to a one-party system.

Let's say you are sitting in your office for 8 hours. In one case you could leave but probably won't - in the other case your boss puts a lock on your door for those 8 hours. Would that make a difference to you?

Poor analogy. And I don't think there needs to be an analogy; the issue is already quite simple.

The USA's political system is substantially less free than many other nations. In turn, China is substantially less free than the US. Whether equating the two is really hyperbolic is debatable - functionally speaking, vested interests are allowed to run unchecked in both countries.

The main difference really lies in the source of power. In China, the Party runs the show and corporations fall into line. In the US it's the opposite, where corporations hold sway over the white house.

China at least has aspirations to lift the living standards of all its citizens. It's not easy but they're getting there - compare China with India for instance. Can't say the same for the US.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Here is an editorial from Global Times (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Times, a government mouthpiece known for its ardent pro-Party slant): http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/899197.shtml

Some select quotes:

"The problems with Gmail access this time may be caused by the China side, by Google itself or a combination of the two. But Western media pointed the finger at Chinese authorities immediately, accusing them of strengthening its cyber censorship. This is far too simple a hypothesis. It should be noted that Google voluntarily quit the mainland market in 2010. The issue at heart is to what extent Google is willing to obey Chinese law, on which China's attitude is steadfast."

"In this sense, it's dubious that China "blocked" Gmail simply over security concerns. Since both Google and China haven't given an explanation and meanwhile Gmail is a technically complex system, there may be some puzzling reasons behind the incident.

"If the China side indeed blocked Gmail, the decision must have been prompted by newly emerged security reasons. If that is the case, Gmail users need to accept the reality of Gmail being suspended in China. But we hope it is not the case."

The article's original Chinese version can be found here: http://tech.huanqiu.com/internet/2014-12/5313893.html

Curiously, the English version is missing the following two paragraphs:

"中美围绕互联网既有合作,亦有摩擦,双方的相互适应过程仍在继续。由于中美关系庞大而复杂,互联网问题只是其中一部分,外部变数的影响也是存在的。"(Third to last paragraph)

My translation: In regards to the Internet, China and the US both cooperate and experience some frictions, so the mutual adaptation process of the two sides continues. Due to the complexity of the Sino-US relationship, Internet issues are only a part of it, and there also exist other external variables.

"因此无论Gmail“失联”是谷歌还是中方的原因,或者是复合原因,使用者们不妨顺其自然,做多手准备。中国发展有过多难以计数的磕绊和插曲,这个故事又算得了什么。"(Last paragraph)

My translation: Whether Gmail's "losing contact" is caused by Google or China, or a combination thereof, users should just go with the flow, and be prepared with other backup plans. China's development process has been met with countless stumbles and other interludes, so this story doesn't really matter in the end.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

#138

Travelling in China right now. No Google services work but Gmail via SMTP on my iPhone seems fine. I'm not confident all emails go through though. Heading to Hong Kong tonight so not sure if that will be different. Using VPN does open everything but obviously becomes slower. It's not only Google though, all social media. Speaking to locals they don't care. There is an alternative for everything and they are better su…

Are you using a non-Chinese SIM? In my past travels to China I was able to access Facebook and everything else as long as I was roaming on my AT&T SIM and paying gratuitous roaming fees.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

#139
post #29

No no no this is bad journalism. Is not just blocking "access" to gmail, but one out of of five Gmail's MX servers are blocked gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com (74.125.31.26, blocked) alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com to be specific, all traffic to address of 74.125.31.0/24, including gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com, got null routed af…

By the way, how did you figure out that network was blocked? Is there a looking-glass-alike I can use to check? The reason I ask is because that particular network you mentioned is only one of dozens that Google serves up as the A record for gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com. From my location, it's on 74.125.25.26 instead. And the MX for Google Apps hosted domain customers (including google.com itself) is aspmx.l.google.com…

It's just mtr or ping. No magic here.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

#140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is that Google's mail servers can't communicate with servers within China, so any user of a Chinese mail service will not be able to send mail to Gmail users (and vice versa). If you are within China using a VPN to access Gmail, Google still can't send emails back in to Chinese machines.

Ah. Seems dumb of them. There are millions of Chinese people all around the world that will be trying to email their family back home. Why block just one email provider? Why try to segregate yourself from the world's email network? It isn't even going to work because what every Chinese person will do is get a tunnel to sign up for the non-Chinese email service (maybe even Gmail!) and it will just further push people…

So those millions of Chinese people use a Chinese service instead.
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