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Chinese economy overtakes the U.S.’s to become the largest

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Re: Chinese economy overtakes the U.S.’s to become the largest

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Kiwi fruit are actually from northern China and weren't introduced to New Zealand until the 20th century.

Not sure if that's just compounding the joke, but if not - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi

The submission was about China, not New Zealand, so forgive me for being a bit bemused.

Re: Chinese economy overtakes the U.S.’s to become the largest

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From the Sui (late 500's) to the mid-Qing (around 1750) most historians seem to say they were, though it's hard to say whether the Han (220bc-220ad) or the Roman Empire was "larger".

China goes up and down throughout history. Many Chinese seem to believe that China can only go up now, just like Chinese real estate prices.....

Maybe you've seen the "China 2049" adverts that popped up everywhere around China a few months ago promoting, among other things, an equal standard of living with Western countries by the 100th anniversary of the republic's founding. I guess they're designed to keep Chinese motivated to grow the economy further.

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>But that's manufacturing capacity it doesn't have for technology is also doesn't have. Says who? Chinese technology is converging at US levels. >You don't get to move from being a third world country with a third world cost base to being a first world country and keep your third world cost base. The two go hand in hand. That's why Chinese manufacturing is beginning to lose it's price advantages over places like Viet…

>>Assembling high tech iPhone components >My Xiaomi is pretty much every bit as good as an iPhone and 1/4 the cost. Without taking Simonh's "side" here, you are missing his point, which is that the high-quality screens and advanced ICs are overwhelmingly designed and manufactured outside of China, especially in the countries he listed. Even a low-end Xiaomi model uses a MediaTek (Taiwanese) SoC fabbed by TSMC (Taiwan…

Well, Taiwan is arguably China.

Re: Chinese economy overtakes the U.S.’s to become the largest

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>>Assembling high tech iPhone components >My Xiaomi is pretty much every bit as good as an iPhone and 1/4 the cost. Without taking Simonh's "side" here, you are missing his point, which is that the high-quality screens and advanced ICs are overwhelmingly designed and manufactured outside of China, especially in the countries he listed. Even a low-end Xiaomi model uses a MediaTek (Taiwanese) SoC fabbed by TSMC (Taiwan…

Well, Taiwan is arguably China.

Taiwan de facto is its own government and has laws against fabbing in china, as do most countries in that region.

Re: Chinese economy overtakes the U.S.’s to become the largest

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Well, Taiwan is arguably China.

Taiwan de facto is its own government and has laws against fabbing in china, as do most countries in that region.

It is getting much closer to falling under the Chinese sphere of influence as American military dominance in the Pacific wanes and China's increases. I expect it to be gradually swallowed up Hong Kong style in the next couple of decades.

America's 'promise' to protect it will likely be quietly withdrawn.

Either that or we will go to war.

Re: Chinese economy overtakes the U.S.’s to become the largest

#136

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Taiwan de facto is its own government and has laws against fabbing in china, as do most countries in that region.

It is getting much closer to falling under the Chinese sphere of influence as American military dominance in the Pacific wanes and China's increases. I expect it to be gradually swallowed up Hong Kong style in the next couple of decades. America's 'promise' to protect it will likely be quietly withdrawn. Either that or we will go to war.

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Re: Chinese economy overtakes the U.S.’s to become the largest

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Taiwan de facto is its own government and has laws against fabbing in china, as do most countries in that region.

It is getting much closer to falling under the Chinese sphere of influence as American military dominance in the Pacific wanes and China's increases. I expect it to be gradually swallowed up Hong Kong style in the next couple of decades. America's 'promise' to protect it will likely be quietly withdrawn. Either that or we will go to war.

China's bullying of their neighbors has been the best thing for American dominance in the region since winning the Spanish American war. Even Vietnam likes them now. .

Re: Chinese economy overtakes the U.S.’s to become the largest

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It is getting much closer to falling under the Chinese sphere of influence as American military dominance in the Pacific wanes and China's increases. I expect it to be gradually swallowed up Hong Kong style in the next couple of decades. America's 'promise' to protect it will likely be quietly withdrawn. Either that or we will go to war.

China's bullying of their neighbors has been the best thing for American dominance in the region since winning the Spanish American war. Even Vietnam likes them now. .

Vietnam has liked America more for decades. However, being liked more by Vietnam does not translate to military dominance over the Pacific.

Chinese fleet is increasing in size and the US pacific fleet is shrinking.

Also: what did the US have to say about China claiming most of the South China sea as its own? Virtually nothing. That wouldn't have been the case even a decade ago.

Re: Chinese economy overtakes the U.S.’s to become the largest

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China's bullying of their neighbors has been the best thing for American dominance in the region since winning the Spanish American war. Even Vietnam likes them now. .

Vietnam has liked America more for decades. However, being liked more by Vietnam does not translate to military dominance over the Pacific. Chinese fleet is increasing in size and the US pacific fleet is shrinking. Also: what did the US have to say about China claiming most of the South China sea as its own? Virtually nothing. That wouldn't have been the case even a decade ago.

China still doesn't have much of a navy, they definitely don't have a blue seas navy yet anywhere compared to the USA or even the Japanese sdf. Ya, the us is going from 100 to 90 while china is going from 1 to 2.

And that's not even the point: they don't want to go against china directly, there is too much integration. But they definitely want to sell some boats to Vietnam. So the next time china wants to go at it with Vietnam, they will be on a more equal footing.

Re: Chinese economy overtakes the U.S.’s to become the largest

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Vietnam has liked America more for decades. However, being liked more by Vietnam does not translate to military dominance over the Pacific. Chinese fleet is increasing in size and the US pacific fleet is shrinking. Also: what did the US have to say about China claiming most of the South China sea as its own? Virtually nothing. That wouldn't have been the case even a decade ago.

China still doesn't have much of a navy, they definitely don't have a blue seas navy yet anywhere compared to the USA or even the Japanese sdf. Ya, the us is going from 100 to 90 while china is going from 1 to 2. And that's not even the point: they don't want to go against china directly, there is too much integration. But they definitely want to sell some boats to Vietnam. So the next time china wants to go at it wi…

>And that's not even the point: they don't want to go against china directly, there is too much integration.

Yet another reason why China's regional dominance is increasing and the US is shrinking. It's not just their navy. The US is too inextricably tied to the Chinese economy.

In the last 5 years it's been looking like the US would lose out more if China pulled the trading plug (suddenly cut off exports / let the yuan appreciate) than China would.

Cut off Chinese exports now and the US would suffer a wave of cost push inflation like it did in the 70s with the oil shock. It would not be pleasant. US military planner are aware of this and restrict their chest thumping accordingly.

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