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Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

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Try and find an English Conversation Class. This is not the same as "normal" English classes (where you study from a textbook). In a conversation class, you are grouped (or paired) with people who are in a similar boat to yours, and you talk. Depending on the teacher, you will probably be given a topic to discuss.

This is a great way for improving your language and social skills, because you're talking to real-life human beings. Conversing is (IMHO) the best way of learning a language.

Good luck with it! And don't worry about being an introvert. It makes your social life a bit harder, but it's not a show stopper.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#132
Hi, friend! I had similar problems before. [Chinese]

As a foreign student studying at UK, the cultural difference is exceedingly scary for me at first glance, like the food names, clothings codes and behavior manners. I enjoyed life at Berkeley, while my life here at Cambridge is a big step for me.

However, I have found several hints that may help you understand why you need someone to chat with.

1. As a foreigner, being involved in a community or a small group of friends makes you feel safe.

2. Introversion is not an excuse for being alone, rather, it is a personality that you may enjoy being alone.

3. For those people who have poorer English than you, like me, can have close friends to chat with. What you really need is to target small and expand your social life gradually. (just like a startup)

4. Last but not least, having two or three close friends who understand you and support you is much more valuable than saying hello to everyone in a large party. Check your contact and find them! Ask them for a drink! Playing games together!

Hope this helps. ^_^

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of things can ruin your life, including having friends IRL. It's a reason to be mindful, not to ban it from one's life.

I'm not for banning. I'm for actively discouraging people who "have nothing to do" with their time, from seeking refuge in something which is actively designed to captivate them and consume as much of their resources as possible. There are many addictive & destructive things, but few of them are legal and actively being evolved to enslave you at the same time.

Fair enough, I agree with that.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#134

Are you necessarily an introvert, or do you find it difficult to interact with people because of language/cultural barriers? I say this because extreme introverts enjoy being alone. I used to think I leaned toward introversion, but gradually between high school and college I realized that I enjoyed having a big circle of friends--what I didn't enjoy was the social context of school. I'm a drinks in a nice lounge kind…

I agree with all of that except going into debt... When I can help it. (I can see having a car helping a social life though.) When I have a buffer of cash and food I feel more free and feel better about myself. When I'm happy with myself, others like me more too... but then I also start to care less of what most others think.

Edit: You edited out getting debt for a car? That may not be a bad idea for some.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#135
Here's my thoughts, as someone who's naturally shy, socially awkward (or maybe just plain weird), and loaded with anxiety issues.

Start small. Don't try to make friends at first, just practice interacting with people. Ask totally random people questions you can Google. Is the 6 train running on time today? Is this the way to Market Street? Do you know a good coffee shop around here? Ask people in social situations personal questions that aren't too personal. So what do you do? How long have you worked here / gone to school here / known Jim / lived here? A lot of people don't realize I have crippling social anxiety, simply because I have mastered the art of small talk.

Practice being uncomfortable. I'm assuming you've got a healthy dose of social anxiety, like most introverts. Wear opinionated tee-shirts that make you feel judged. Try going to random meetup groups, not to meet people but just to practice feeling awkward, silly, and watched. Try the juggling and unicycle unicycle meetups, and spend an hour falling off a loaner unicycle in front of everybody. Practice making smalltalk. How long have you been doing this? How long does it take to learn how? How many balls can you juggle? What's the most impressive feat you've seen performed on a unicycle?

Establish a routine. Proximity is important; you can't make friends if you're never in the same place twice. Go sit in a coffee shop and read the paper every morning, go for a run at the same time every week or day. Find a couple of meetup groups and attend them regularly.

Online friends can be real friends. Even if you never meet them, if they care about you and vice versa, an online friend counts. Making your online friends in-person friends is also pretty awesome. I made several good friends online, and now about half of us live in the same city (most of us live in two cities). We hang out from time to time, play board games, see movies. Most of us have worked together at one point or another.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#136

I'd say you being an introvert is not the case. It seems you have social axiety, and it's possibe to cure it by yourself. There are some guides in internet how to do it, but to put it simple(and this worked for me like a charm) - you have to get out of your comfort zone. push yourself to do things you would never normally do in public. it's not easy to do this, but after about a month you can just feel this CLICK. it…

and dont think about things, like having no car or not speaking perfectly english. there are people who dont judge others by this stuff. and if they do, you dont wanna meet them :D

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% agree on How to Win Friends and Influence People. Classic book. The title makes the book sound dubious, but it really isn't.

I'll be the disagreeing voice. I read the book, and what I got from it was a manipulating vibe, not as strong as the one I get from the PUA community, but close. I took this random quote right now: > So, because I had apologized and sympathized with her point of view, she began apologizing and sympathizing with my point of view, I had the satisfaction of controlling my temper, the satisfaction of returning kindness f…

We must read that quote in a very different tone.

To me he's highlighting a situation where he disagreed with someone in a way that made him angry, but instead of jumping on his anger and telling her to "take a hike" he chose to control his temper and employ empathy. He illustrates the benefit of this approach by saying that in the end both he and the person with whom he disagreed came away happy.

One of the core tenants of the book is that you shouldn't fake it. That is, when he tells you you should be interested in the benign and mundane things people have to say, he means that you should find something about what they're saying in which to take actual, genuine interest. He says time and time again that even people you perceive to be stupid are smarter than to be manipulated by false interest and empathy and that by employing such tactics you do a disservice to yourself and the people with whom you're interacting.

I agree that in some places the tone is a bit Machiavellian, but it's only to illustrate that even to one who would employ such tactics, being genuine is a far better approach than being fake.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#139
post #7

No joke: I bought a dog. Probably the best way to come into chats with complete strangers :-D Also don't underestimate the value of your body language. That is often more important than your skill at expressing your thoughts into language.

I think babies are the best way, actually. (I'm not advising the OP to have a baby, though, at this particular juncture, though it'd definitely keep him busy.)

babies depends on social contacts :P

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#140
I can't really say I haven't passed that myself and that its something I still don't have. I think every person in its life has some alone moments. Your's just happen to be right now.

Its not a car or its not that you are afraid to talk to people and all those things you are thinking of. I think that yourself has just built up a DEFENSE mechanism in order not to engage to anyone at the moment cause it wants some time alone.

I don't have to suggest anything to that like most of the "doctors" in YC... Just wait for it and it will come naturally when you feel ok with yourself. There is no reason forcing things to happen.

Now on the other hand find some group activities like gym-classes or I dunno something that might engage you or open you up to people.

Time is the solution my friend, give it time.

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