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Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by natevancouver »

bane wrote: post #50
georgemcbay wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It's worth noting that Google had absolutely everything they needed to do this years ago, and just... didn't." This is so true and so sad. Google Voice, why are you so almost great and so neglected? I have to say though that my disappointment in Google Voice is quickly being matched by my disappointment in Google Maps which actually was great but continually gets less so with each release.

I would have agreed with you except I'm actually liking the very latest bump. Telling me which lanes to get into to make an exit? Brilliant. I think it's also taking traffic into account now.

In my town Google Maps has traffic “data” for every side street and it’s usually wrong or irrelevant. A red light at an intersection will show up as a traffic jam and then I’ll get weird routes trying to go around it.

Traffic for freeways, on the other hand, is amazing.

This likely has to do with the quality of traffic data provided by the municipality. But Apple Maps doesn’t have the same problem. Their side-street traffic data is reliable around here – very surprising.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by mirsadm »

italophil wrote: post #128
mirsadm wrote: post #127

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At this point both devices do the core functionality just as well as each other (email, browsing and maps). Android still has better "Google" integration which is important for me. Also I have gotten use to paying $350 for a Nexus device + $18/mo for my plan. I have no intention of ever buying another $800+ device or spending upwards of $100/mo for something which is about the same experience as I have now.

What is you $18/month plan? I am still looking for a reasonable one in the US.

I'm from Australia. There are a couple of low cost alternatives here for the moment. The plan I am on gives me 1.5gb/mo and pretty much unlimited talk/text for my use.

When I was in Canada/US I couldn't really find any low cost options without a contract.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by mkaziz »

italophil wrote: post #128
mirsadm wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point both devices do the core functionality just as well as each other (email, browsing and maps). Android still has better "Google" integration which is important for me. Also I have gotten use to paying $350 for a Nexus device + $18/mo for my plan. I have no intention of ever buying another $800+ device or spending upwards of $100/mo for something which is about the same experience as I have now.

What is you $18/month plan? I am still looking for a reasonable one in the US.

If you're in the US, check out Black Wireless (GSM, ATT network), or Republic Wireless.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by chemmail »

georgemcbay wrote: post #109
dragonwriter wrote: post #77

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Google Maps definitely made traffic-based time estimates for routes and (AFAICT) also made route choices based on traffic before the Waze acquisition, though its traffic data has gotten better since the Waze acquisition (particularly, it extends to more non-freeway routes) and it has more information on the source of traffic problems (which appears to be largely directly because of Waze, since it credits information…

This is true, Google Maps definitely has done traffic avoidance for years, even before the Waze acquisition. I think prior to Waze it was a completely self-contained reporting system though (other people using Google Nav on Android were automatically/anonymously feeding their speed/route back to the homebase and that was used to detect traffic anomalies). Presumably they now have more data to work from.

I've been an embedded user of google voice since it was grand central and tried to move over to android, but that OS seems to be a bigger mess than Windows Mobile phone. It's a bit ironic that the people who love it don't really do anything on their phone, they don't use the "openness" android supposedly gives. With Jailbreak, IOS is pretty amazing.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by dfc »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #124
RivieraKid wrote: post #85

"Huge for developers. Massive for everyone else." "Completely new. Completely Mac." I find meaningless slogans like these really disgusting and annoying. And it's not just Apple, every second startup does this.

The fact that it is so widely used should tell you that it is effective. Here is a small primer on the psychology of slogans: http://www.adslogans.co.uk/ww/prvwis11.html

Did you really link to material on an ad company's website in order to provide evidence that advertisements are effective? Would you expect anything other than "ads are useful and effective" from an ad company?

More importantly when OP said the slogans were annoying/disgusting, it was a statement of OP's personal opinion. OP never said in general the public finds these slogans disgusting/annoying.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by prawn »

hsod wrote: post #92
RivieraKid wrote: post #85

"Huge for developers. Massive for everyone else." "Completely new. Completely Mac." I find meaningless slogans like these really disgusting and annoying. And it's not just Apple, every second startup does this.

annoying I could understand but "really disgusting"? what is it that bothers you so much?

Disgust includes a "feeling of strong disapproval". I didn't physically throw up reading them, but I did read out a couple aloud in the office and scoffed. They're so smug and grandiose that it's very off-putting and I wish they'd just let the product speak for itself. (I use an iPhone, iPad and MBP.)

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by prawn »

dpcan wrote: post #118

Still no user accounts on iPad. The only thing I want, and 8 versions in, it's still not there. Why I can't create a login for my kids on my iPad that hides my mail, calendar, certain games, etc? I don't understand why this isn't possible.

Especially in an era with Touch ID. My kid should unlock it and see their apps and not go about accidentally deleting mine. I should unlock and have access to mine, private email and so on.

Of course, with the new family features, they want you to have a device each rather than share. Wasteful but drives up their earnings.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

dfc wrote: post #135
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that it is so widely used should tell you that it is effective. Here is a small primer on the psychology of slogans: http://www.adslogans.co.uk/ww/prvwis11.html

Did you really link to material on an ad company's website in order to provide evidence that advertisements are effective? Would you expect anything other than "ads are useful and effective" from an ad company? More importantly when OP said the slogans were annoying/disgusting, it was a statement of OP's personal opinion. OP never said in general the public finds these slogans disgusting/annoying.

An ad hominem if I have ever seen one! To answer your question though, yes as it gives a simple, researched and concise explanation as to why these are useful and might make the commenter think that they aren't as "meaningless" as they seem.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by Evan-Purkhiser »

mkaziz wrote: post #133
italophil wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is you $18/month plan? I am still looking for a reasonable one in the US.

If you're in the US, check out Black Wireless (GSM, ATT network), or Republic Wireless.

T-Mobiles $30/month plan is also worth checking out.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by dfc »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #138
dfc wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you really link to material on an ad company's website in order to provide evidence that advertisements are effective? Would you expect anything other than "ads are useful and effective" from an ad company? More importantly when OP said the slogans were annoying/disgusting, it was a statement of OP's personal opinion. OP never said in general the public finds these slogans disgusting/annoying.

An ad hominem if I have ever seen one! To answer your question though, yes as it gives a simple, researched and concise explanation as to why these are useful and might make the commenter think that they aren't as "meaningless" as they seem.

I am not sure why you interpreted my comment as an ad hominem but I sincerely apologize for offending you, that was not my intention.
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