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Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by clarry »

paulhauggis wrote: post #118
clarry wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sharing is at worst a victimless crime. At best.. well I don't know about best but I'd say something about living in the future where we have the technological means to give people anything they need or want. That if something is wealth. And progress. Thievery is an inappropriate description of making copies.

I seem to remember a huge debate we had right here on HN regarding Wordpress themes a year or so ago. A commercial theme provider had included GNU code and was not redistributing the original source (or offering their altered source under the GNU license). The vast majority of comments regarded this as outright theft. If I make copies of your personal data (credit card info, address, name, SSN) and pass it around the…

> If I make copies of your personal data (credit card info, address, name, SSN) and pass it around the Internet, is it a victim-less crime? I'm merely making copies of bits onto a webpage (the other effects shouldn't matter..according to your logic).

There is a big difference between personally identifying information and copyrighted works. Same goes for passwords or password hashes and so on. Yes, I believe there are specific kinds of data people should be allowed to keep private, and secret. That is why I don't broadcast my credit card info, address, name, SSN or passwords on Hacker News (even though I've told enough about my life so that a very competent hacker could no doubt figure me out!). I also don't put the said information on a CD and sell it to the public.

> The real victims are the people put out of work due to rampant piracy

I do not believe this is actually happening. Piracy might be happening but the reason that such people would be put out of work (if they ever are) is that people don't want to pay (or donate or whatever). Piracy isn't the reason, piracy is the symptom.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by kryptiskt »

fidelar wrote: post #113
kryptiskt wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would the police give two shits about the EU election? I don't know what corrupt hellhole you are from, but Sweden doesn't work like that. Not that it would have been an issue. The Pirate Bay trial is old news and it's hardly a major scandal that a convicted man has to serve his time. As it is, the Pirate Party was wiped out and were far from getting a seat.

Around the same time the US started passing file sharing laws and the monitoring laws allowing the police extended measures when the crime had something to do with national security, Sweden started passing almost identical file sharing laws, and around the same time the FRA law passed. The previous decade or so has seen several judical measures that have been heavily influenced by politics. (From sweden myself)

Which says nothing about direct political management of the police.

The thing people really misunderstand here is how explosive this would be in the election. It wouldn't have moved the needle at all, it's just news not an event, no hypothetical master manipulator would bother with this stuff.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by collyw »

Tombone5 wrote: post #76
zanny wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think I'd be really comfortable with convicted serial murderers walking around. Hell, any murderer. Manslaughter can be a mistake or an accident, but if you intentionally aggressively killed someone I'd rather not be walking past you on a street or participating with you in an open market... I don't believe in the death penalty, but I also believe an essential function of prison is to remove the irredeemable…

Also, in regards to "any murderer", I belive that there really isn't much beyond the perspective of those asked that separate (some) terrorists from soldiers from murderers...

Soldiers are taking their orders from a higher authority. Not sure who is telling terrorists or murderers.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by nissehulth »

userbinator wrote: post #54
ColinWright wrote: post #3

From Google translate ... Peter Sunde arrested in Skåne One of the brains behind the file sharing site The Pirate Bay has been arrested. Peter Sunde, 35, was arrested today in a raid in southern Sweden. - He has been on the run since 2012 , says Carolina Ekéus , press contact at NCIS . Rikskriminalen state that Peter Sunde has been wanted by Interpol and that he is now arrested. - He was arrested for him to serve a p…

Quite good for Google translate. There's some odd words like "kväljer" but overall the meaning is pretty clear.

That word doesn't make any sense in the Swedish original either. Seems like they botched the quote, can't even guess what he really said.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by sleepyhead »

anaphor wrote: post #4
ColinWright wrote: post #3

From Google translate ... Peter Sunde arrested in Skåne One of the brains behind the file sharing site The Pirate Bay has been arrested. Peter Sunde, 35, was arrested today in a raid in southern Sweden. - He has been on the run since 2012 , says Carolina Ekéus , press contact at NCIS . Rikskriminalen state that Peter Sunde has been wanted by Interpol and that he is now arrested. - He was arrested for him to serve a p…

"Together sentenced Pirate Bay founders in addition to prison to pay damages of around 46 million." Yeah, that's never going to happen. The prosecutor in their case came up with some fantastical amount of money TPB is supposed to have made, but it's complete nonsense (see the documentary TPB: AFK for details).

The verdict is clear and has been passed. Whether you think it is complete nonsense is irrelevant.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by zz1 »

waynecochran wrote: post #19
hocaoglv wrote: post #10

Gottfrid Svartholm is currently being held in solitary confinement in Denmark, Peter Sunde is arrested in Sweden. I thought these countries were like role models.

Not trying to be a troll, but aren't these people essentially supporting theivery on a massive scale? I've never understood why so much of the Internet community thinks downloading software and/or movies that is meant to be paid for is ok.

Also, on the same topic: http://christianengstrom.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/studies-on...

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by Kiro »

adamtulinius wrote: post #29
oellegaard wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Svartholm hacked the Danish Police IT systems, including the driver license database. I don't think that should be allowed even in a role country.

.. but apparently the police haven't uncovered any evidence, and refuse to let him free because of fear of him tampering with evidence. His trial is scheduled to september, so basically the danish police has nothing on him (or they would just get the trial over with), and use some bogus claim to keep him in custody. So no, scandinavian countries aren't the worst, but they certainly aren't bright shining stars either.…

Everyone knows he did it.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by clarry »

vacri wrote: post #82
clarry wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sharing is at worst a victimless crime. At best.. well I don't know about best but I'd say something about living in the future where we have the technological means to give people anything they need or want. That if something is wealth. And progress. Thievery is an inappropriate description of making copies.

In the end, it's not about 'making copies'. You're obtaining entertainment without paying the required fee to the entertainer (vast majority of torrented stuff is entertainment). You're using a service without the required recompense. You can perhaps argue that semantically sharing is better likened to 'fare evasion' on public transport, but they're semantically similar crimes: taking something which you're meant to…

> In the end, it's not about 'making copies'.

Yes it is, it very much is.

> You're obtaining entertainment

Right. Obtaining copies of recorded entertainment.

> You're using a service

I might be using the "service" provided by the peers who willingly and voluntarily partake in creating copies, with or without requiring a fee. There is no "entertainer" performing a show. He's not serving me. He's not fulfilling any requests I've made; we have no contract. He doesn't even have a computer serving data for me. He's not involved. He could be sitting on a beach sipping beer. People making copies of someone's past performance doesn't make that someone actively serve you.

> You can perhaps argue that semantically sharing is better likened to 'fare evasion' on public transport

Public transport and fare evasion are interesting subjects. But making copies of something is not at all alike. When you sit in a bus going somewhere, there is a very real service happening that very moment. Someone's probably sitting in the front, driving the bus, trying to get you and the rest of the people to their destination safely and on time. By providing that service, the driver (and other people involved) spend their time providing that service. They also spend fuel. Mechanical deterioration of the vehicle takes place. You occupy space in their vehicle!

If, right now, I made a billion copies of someone's song, the artist won't lose a single second of his life. He won't lose a single penny. His guitar doesn't detoriate, he doesn't get tired, he doesn't get hungry. Most likely he wouldn't even know what's happening. He is not performing a service.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by belorn »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #119
belorn wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume you got tax records to support that PRQ is earning money like crazy? I am going to assume that the tax collectors know their job and is not letting a crazy revenue source continue going untaxed. For TPB advertisement, do you have numbers on how competitive advertisement space is for a website like the pirate bay? Would startups here forexample be willing to pay top dollars for ads there? Willing to use untra…

What's the point of using untraceable methods to pay for advertising? Won't your name be right there in the ad?

The advertiser might be willing to put down his name, but what about the person/persons on the other end. No one knows who is running TPB at this time, nor where the servers are. If that information would leak through paper-trails, you can be sure legal actions would be sent their way by a number of anti-piracy groups. Questions about taxes and damages could also pop up depending on whom is running TPB and from where.
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