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Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by gutnor »

furyofantares wrote: post #105
li-ch wrote: post #86

Apple map is still scarily inaccurate [1,2,3]. Why should I or anyone risk this in the car? [1] http://bgr.com/2013/09/25/apple-maps-disaster-runway/ [2] http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/new... [3] http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2013/11/new-clas...

To be blunt I am pretty capable of driving without any maps in the car, or at ignoring instructions that appear incorrect or dangerous. And while Apple Maps might still get it wrong more than other maps, I've never used a mapping service that hasn't gotten some things wrong. I do hope it supports other mapping apps though, or if not I hope Apple gets pressured to support that. And I don't really see why they wouldn't…

The GPS get it wrong very often too. There is an enormous amount of magic going on behind the scene to put a car on an actual road on the map.

When I'm driving on the highway with spotty coverage, I very often hear "Turn Left in 50 m" when the magic fails and the GPS (mobile phone running TomTom in this case) now thinks I teleported on a side road.

Similarly, you could get yourself lost for hours if you follow your GPS blindly in a small European city. Actually, you would probably get into a traffic accident before that.

When I see people comment on GPS, I can only imagine that in 20 years, you will see headline like "Family had to be rescued after their autonomous car failed to exit Walmart Parking lot for 5 hours and ran out of gas. Google made no comment."

Re: Apple CarPlay

#132

Post by morganvachon »

Wait, so this works with the iPhone 5, yet you have to plug in your phone to make it work? What is this, 2003? I get in my car, the radio syncs up to my WP8 phone via Bluetooth, and if I get a text message I can have the car read it to me. I can dictate the response, or choose to ignore it, or call back the person, all with my voice. It can play music from my phone, including internet radio. I can call up an address search, and the Maps app will give me voice guided turn by turn directions.

All of this on a Windows Phone device that stays in my pocket, connected to a single-DIN aftermarket stereo without a fancy LCD, in a 2000 model Toyota. Recent cars with advanced navigation head units can do much, much more than mine. I think Apple is a bit behind the curve here.

Re: Apple CarPlay

#134

Post by Angostura »

GuiA wrote: post #34

Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. 1) Not only are touch screens a very poor interactor in the first place [0], but why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls? For operating complex vehicles/app…

Good job on ignoring the main point of this pitch - that it integrates the phone with in car controls, obviating the need to use the touchscreen when on the move.

Re: Apple CarPlay

#135

Post by cmelbye »

GuiA wrote: post #34

Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. 1) Not only are touch screens a very poor interactor in the first place [0], but why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls? For operating complex vehicles/app…

You ignore the fact that this is meant to be controlled by Siri and, yes, tactile knobs and switches in your car. It says it right there on the linked page. Little to no distraction needed.

Re: Apple CarPlay

#136

Post by cmelbye »

morganvachon wrote: post #132

Wait, so this works with the iPhone 5, yet you have to plug in your phone to make it work? What is this, 2003? I get in my car, the radio syncs up to my WP8 phone via Bluetooth, and if I get a text message I can have the car read it to me. I can dictate the response, or choose to ignore it, or call back the person, all with my voice. It can play music from my phone, including internet radio. I can call up an address…

There is not a phone on the market that will project an interface over Bluetooth to a display in the car. What curve are they behind exactly?

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by cmelbye »

dba7dba wrote: post #41
lancewiggs wrote: post #37

Great. While this feels years overdue the iPad was first released in 2010 and auto companies are terribly slow at change. And cars take years to cycle through the global economy - mine is 15 years old. So perhaps velcro or a stand, an iPad, and bluetooth or wire to the radio is a cheap alternative. Or perhaps we will se an aftermarket service as with car radios. The initial launch partners (Ferrari, Hyundai, Honda, J…

You can't blame car companies for resisting change. They can't send out patches. Their product life cycle is a few years, maybe even a decade, not a year... Funny to see Hyundai called a great marquee by apple... In S Korea, Samsung is considered THE marquee company and Hyundai Motor is a few steps below it...

Samsung makes cars?

Re: Apple CarPlay

#138

Post by hisyam »

GuiA wrote: post #34

Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. 1) Not only are touch screens a very poor interactor in the first place [0], but why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls? For operating complex vehicles/app…

I agree that certain dashboard functionality are better handled by knobs, switches, and sliders. However if you look into the webpage above, CarPlay only supports Phone, Music, Maps, and Messages, the kind of features that are better handled by touchscreen. As for Messages, it can read the text messages for you.

Re: Apple CarPlay

#139

Post by hnnewguy »

GuiA wrote: post #34

Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. 1) Not only are touch screens a very poor interactor in the first place [0], but why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls? For operating complex vehicles/app…

>The benefits on human society at large here are so significant that there is no room for caring about the feelings of greedy old white men.

So insurance, oil and car companies are filled with stodgy, greedy, old men who we are not to care about, but I guess SV is filled with cool, hip, innovative people?

Get your head out of the sand. I'll take the innovation of Ford and Toyota over Facebook and WhatsApp anyday of the week.

Re: Apple CarPlay

#140

Post by SeanLuke »

josteink wrote: post #127
annnnd wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment is a bit dismissive. Can you really claim that for iPod, iPhone and iPad? Sure, every invention is based on work of others, but Apple has still made huge improvements on multiple areas.

This comment is a bit dismissive. Can you really claim that for iPod, iPhone and iPad? MP3 players were already pretty mainstream when the iPod came around and it didn't really add much. And the iPad was merely an iteration on the iPhone. But every rule has an exception. I'll grant that Apple definitely redefined what a smartphone was with the iPhone.

> MP3 players were already pretty mainstream when the iPod came around and it didn't really add much.

That's like saying that cell phones with color screens were already pretty mainstream when the iPhone came around and it didn't really add much.

I think you have forgotten just how different the iPod was.

Let's add the Mac to this party. Do you think that the Mac was just reinventing earlier standards on the market?

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