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Re: The future of Fiber

#131

The Denver-Boulder corridor is going to start losing it's place as one of the top tech startup areas in the country if it doesn't get itself on this list of potential fiber installs.

Yeah, also disappointed. I thought for sure it would at least be planned.

Re: The future of Fiber

#132

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That sounds strange to me. I live in Sweden and went apartment-hunting last year. Not one of the apartments I looked at was without fiber (technically, ethernet in the apartments, fiber to the building). Including buildings that pre-date WW1. They all had pre-existing cable and DSL as well. If there's a will, there's a way. I guess in the US there just isn't much of a will yet.

Vacancies in NYC are incredibly low, so a landlord doesn't gain much by being able to advertise fiber internet. This, added to the expense of wiring the old buildings, means that its not a worthwhile investment.

Actually, I and many others I know would pay a significant rent premium for a building that had fiber access, so I think a case could be made for it financially.

Re: The future of Fiber

#133

I currently live in NYC, and I've lived in Raleigh. It seems pretty clear that tearing up New York City to lay fiber is a much more expensive and tedious process than it would be in Raleigh. The state and local governments also seem much more friendly to that kind of thing.

i just checked online, and it said it was available in my zip code. got super excited, and called Verizon. after 20 minutes on hold I asked them if "Fios is available in my apartment" after which I was asked 20 personal questions and told that there is some "good news" and i'd be transferred to a "Verizon specialist", who asked me 10 more personal questions. Finally i was given a great introductory price of $59.99.. great!! and then he informed that Fios is not available in my apartment, but they can still give me reliable fast internet which will cover all those things i told them i was going to use it for. I told him that it was really misleading how I got conned into answering all these questions all for a marketing pitch of a service i didn't ask for, and the guy said that he was "upfront with me about Fios not being available in my area" he just needed to spend some time to perform this check.. WTF?!

i feel so violated.. at some point i even asked how those questions are relevant to checking Fios availability, to which i was told "these are just part of standard questions i ask everyone"

if you call Verizon, refuse to answer any questions until they tell you if Fios is available at your address.

Re: The future of Fiber

#135

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Yeah I've heard/seen this as well, they've done it in favor of expanding LTE coverage [0] I'm astounded at how anyone at VZ thinks this could be a good idea. [0] http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Verizon-Again-Confirms-Fi...

I wonder how many people honestly care about what internet provider they have? Do most people want FIOS? Or would more people prefer to have a much better connection on the phone/iPad? On top of that, as was mentioned above, it's probably cheaper to update to LTE than it is to run fiber everywhere, and on top of that , it's probably worth more money to them on the $x/mo for LTE service since to add another customer i…

It isn't about the provider, it's the speed we care.

Are they going to let my router able to get stable internet from LTE technology? I have desktop and laptops and I don't want to add wireless card to my desktop in particular. I rather serve things over my own router. How are they going to market to home users? FIOS has been said to be high speed, reliable, fiber-optic. Great. I am willing to add $20 to my monthly bill to get one.

And how can they drop the agreement like this?

Re: The future of Fiber

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post #130

Nice try Google, I was really happy about Atlanta until I saw the cities listed. Most of the cities they listed are in very sketchy areas that probably dont even know the difference between their regular connection and a faster fiber connection. Avondale Estates - not so nice Brookhaven - will probably benefit College Park - crime area, could care less about fiber Decatur - some areas will benefit East Point - crime…

Yeah, God forbid anyone should bring high-speed networking to poor areas. Fiber should be reserved for rich white people.

Re: The future of Fiber

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I'm really, really glad they chose Kansas City as the pilot city despite not living there. If they had just gone and chosen San Francisco, Chicago or New York, it would have been no more of an experiment than offering more cable channels to the big cities in the 1990s—It just is completely uninteresting. On a side note, If you haven't been to KC's Startup Village, the climate is electric! It feels like something real…

I see it the opposite way: Deploying fiber is easy if the city gives you carte blanche as KC did. Doing something easy proves nothing. If Google Fiber wants to prove that their model is replicable they need to deploy it at a profit in a politically hostile environment.

I think their strategy is good. Demand comes stronger after you show results. The pitch is much stronger when you say "look at all the benefits this city got for welcoming us in". This isn't about proving a point, it's about bringing fiber to as many people as possible.

Re: The future of Fiber

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There are a lot of folks on forums like this who think networks like FiOS should be regulated into being essentially dumb pipes. Verizon and their investors see some chance of this happening, and even if it didn't, it turns out there aren't a lot of "value added" services you can sell to consumers over a proprietary network; they just want the internet. You can't make the margins as a "dumb pipe" that Verizon needs t…

It's amazing to me how many people here on HN complain on one hand about companies not wanting to make massive capital investments to build out faster internet service while simultaneously espousing regulating such services into low-margin dumb pipes.

I think there's a simple solution - municipal fiber everywhere with companies allowed to lease access. Internet access looks like a utility and quacks like a utility, so it should be treated like one. The timeline for breaking even on the investment has been pretty reasonably short in the examples I've seen.

Re: The future of Fiber

#139

I currently live in NYC, and I've lived in Raleigh. It seems pretty clear that tearing up New York City to lay fiber is a much more expensive and tedious process than it would be in Raleigh. The state and local governments also seem much more friendly to that kind of thing.

Doesn't raleigh already have municipal fiber? I know there is fiber in in the RTP area.

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Re: The future of Fiber

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That sounds strange to me. I live in Sweden and went apartment-hunting last year. Not one of the apartments I looked at was without fiber (technically, ethernet in the apartments, fiber to the building). Including buildings that pre-date WW1. They all had pre-existing cable and DSL as well. If there's a will, there's a way. I guess in the US there just isn't much of a will yet.

Vacancies in NYC are incredibly low, so a landlord doesn't gain much by being able to advertise fiber internet. This, added to the expense of wiring the old buildings, means that its not a worthwhile investment.

In sweden this sort of thing is done by the city/state not 'the market' which makes for a different set of arguments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_to_the_premises_by_count...
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