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Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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The last picture is of the City Musuem. If you are ever near St Louis with kids you have to go there. It is one of the coolest places I've ever been to. http://www.citymuseum.org/site/

The zoo is fantastic as well. Best penguin exhibit I've ever seen.

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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People have been saying for decades that NYC is unsustainable, yet it's still the center of the country for finance. San Francisco could well become the next New York: software engineers getting paid $300k/year and talking about how they're not really "rich" because they can't even afford to buy a 2 bedroom condo.

Or it could become the next Detroit when the tech industry decides that it doesn't "need" to be in the Bay Area. I doubt that there'll be that dramatic a change because there are too many actors, Detroit was more vulnerable because it depended on such a small number of anchor employers

Detroit is freezing cold during the winter and doesn't have the same scenery. Even if tech declined SF will be a hot destination.

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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The current San Francisco influx is unsustainable. If you're somewhere else in the world and thinking about coming here to do a startup, I wish I could convince you to change your mind. San Francisco is incredibly expensive. Rents have shot up by ~50% since 2008, office space is following the same trend, and competition for (even mediocre) programmers is intense. Worse, a lot of the cultural diversity that made San F…

Your comment about "artisinal grilled cheese" earned my upvote. Who knew such a thing existed? Better yet: why?

People eat them, I believe the one the parent is referring to might be this one? http://theamericansf.com/

but there are too many of these (how odd that sentence sounds).

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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Your comment about "artisinal grilled cheese" earned my upvote. Who knew such a thing existed? Better yet: why?

It's more typically called Panini, which is Italian for "$9 grilled-cheese."

Panino is Italian for sandwich, it literally means small bread.

Panini is something I first experienced in France, where it's made with a special semi-raw bread. I've never seen anything quite like it in Italy, though.

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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"sun tax" is cheaper in Texas. It's zero as in 0% income tax.

Washington State has a 0% income tax, though maybe not as much sun in the winter (if living in Seattle). And its not Texas.

Housing costs in WA can't hold a candle to Texas. The median home price in King County (where Seattle is located, for those who are unaware) is $415,000. Median home price in Dallas County is just a tad under $200,000. To get that in King County, you have to be all the way down in Federal Way or Auburn, both of which are so far out you'll need a car (so you get to sit on IH-5 for days) and you might as well not even try to have a social life in Seattle.

If you want a house in or that has access to the trendy area of Seattle, be prepared to cough up anywhere from $300,000 to $600,000 (median is $619k but I assume some folks will buy a smaller house or one that needs a bunch of work to get the price down).

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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St. Louis may have the best chess scene in the US, or perhaps second only to NYC. Among other things, it hosts the US Championships every year. And Magnus Carlsen has played there. And Anna Sharevich lives there. (I.e. a lot more than the "Hall of Fame.")

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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The problem with these places is what happens, when you need to hire people to build your company. The tech world is full of impressionistic statements like 'they have a startup scene,' but when you start getting numbers on available talent, you'll see you're putting yourself in a bad position. To take an example where I have better data, people have commented on the vibrant and growing startup scene in Santiago, Chi…

Maybe a competitive advantage could be learning to make the tech component of your work distributed.

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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The current San Francisco influx is unsustainable. If you're somewhere else in the world and thinking about coming here to do a startup, I wish I could convince you to change your mind. San Francisco is incredibly expensive. Rents have shot up by ~50% since 2008, office space is following the same trend, and competition for (even mediocre) programmers is intense. Worse, a lot of the cultural diversity that made San F…

>Which brings us to a very important point for all the young programmer dudes: when you all crowd into the same tiny city and bid up the rents into the stratosphere, your available dating pool shrinks to a puddle (yet another consequence of the skewed gender balance in tech. sigh.) All the pour-over coffee in the world doesn't make you happy when you can't get a date, and those artisan cocktails are far less cute whe…

This is totally wrong. Yes SF has a ridiculous cost of living, but it still has an amazing ratio of single women to straight guys. Unlike the Peninsula, you do not need to be rich to meet and date attractive women in the City.

If you are an employed (white?) guy who can't get a date in SF (not to be confused with Palo Alto), you need to get out more, or just get on okC. There's a whole lot more to the City than yuppie bars in SOMA or the Marina.

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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I love St. Louis. Certain parts have a European feel that no other city outside of Canada has. There are a lot of extremely bright, hard working people there too. It is odd. It is a city that seems to not know how much untapped talent it has. That being said, there are parts that are rundown and sketchy. There are huge problems with drugs like methamphetamine outside of the 'normal' urban drug issues that most cities…

I went to Washington University in St. Louis, and I was overall impressed with the beauty of the city (especially forest park) and the sense of community. The kids at the school were wicked smart (ranked 7th in the nation in terms of average SAT scores--higher than Stanford).

The city is super segregated. When you cross Delmar, the population shifts from very wealthy and white to poor and black.

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