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Ma’am, Your Burger Has Been Paid For

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pg wrote about the art of carefully disguised PR campaigns: http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html

He also mentioned that they were never able to crack the New York Times :) That was, however, some time ago.

Also, that Viaweb never made it to the New York Times doesn't mean that nobody then did. Note the first sentence of the essay ;)

Re: Ma’am, Your Burger Has Been Paid For

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post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He also mentioned that they were never able to crack the New York Times :) That was, however, some time ago.

Also, that Viaweb never made it to the New York Times doesn't mean that nobody then did. Note the first sentence of the essay ;)

Ha, great point! I had based my comment on memory.

Also, worth mentioning that while I don't want to be overly cynical, this article does sound like a brilliant PR campaign. Given the size of typical PR budgets, you could afford a lot of free fast-food lunches for people.

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I suspect a carefully coordinated PR campaign for Chick-fil-A, as I've noticed uncharacteristically, frequent positive references to them in unrelated news items lately. I consume a lot of news, and noticing "fake" planted positive references in tangentially related articles is par for the course for any company that stepped in deep shit like they did. I suspect at least one of these positive comments here to be a pl…

pg wrote about the art of carefully disguised PR campaigns: http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html

That article was originally about me and was wrong. So there's that.

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127 comments and nobody wants to talk about how this phenomenon throws a wrench into the 'free riders' problem? Maybe this is an opportunity for Americans to finally appreciate their countrymen aren't a bunch of lazy, selfish, individualistic... nah...

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Which part of society is obligating a person to continue paying it forward? Certainly not the previous customer, who has already driven off. And certainly not the following customer, who (if you don't pay it forward) has no way of knowing that you got your food for free. In fact other than you, the only person who knows the situation is the cashier, and they certainly aren't expecting meals to continue to be paid for…

And to be honest I don't understand your social compass if being judged by a random restaurant cashier is that big a burden on your conscience. My moral compass is not dictated by the presence of witnesses. If I'm at a park and no one is there to witness it, I still dispose of trash properly. I pick up after my dog without scurrilously looking around for other people. One's "moral compass" should be internal, and mig…

Ok, that makes a lot of sense, but then I don't understand what you mean by "people obligating the people behind them to pay for the people behind them".

If your moral compass is based on what you believe internally, I don't see how you are being obliged to do something by someone else if that person has no knowledge of whether you did it or not.

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I suspect a carefully coordinated PR campaign for Chick-fil-A, as I've noticed uncharacteristically, frequent positive references to them in unrelated news items lately. I consume a lot of news, and noticing "fake" planted positive references in tangentially related articles is par for the course for any company that stepped in deep shit like they did. I suspect at least one of these positive comments here to be a pl…

It could be a made up story, but there is a drive through coffee place in Michigan where this happens every so often. they even have a radio station sometimes coordinate it sometimes to see how long a chain they can get going.

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You so desperately want this to be a nefarious PR job. Why was Chick-fil-a mentioned first? (Puts on Sherlock Holmes cap.) 1. Maybe the writer was fishing for pageviews? 2. Maybe the writer wanted an eye-catching lead? Aggregators pick up the first sentence. 3. Is it a coincidence this is trending on a Sunday after millions of Christians just ate Chick-fil-a after church? How many priests/pastors injected this story…

>You so desperately want this to be a nefarious PR job. And you seem to desperately want me to be some bitter chick-fil-a hater. IF chick-fil-a was involved in the writing of this piece then it's nothing more than what hundreds of other companies do everyday, PR involvement is an integral part of the modern press. I may not like it but I would not call it "nefarious". I'm not commenting because I have a hate-on for c…

I won't respond to all of that but I think we can both agree the business of news is interesting. Also I'm fascinated by the PR world and no, I don't have much experience in that area. My perspective is more pageviews & software oriented. How the New York Times operates, how the editors make decisions, it would be fun to be a fly on the wall there. I bet they're ripping out their hair trying to keep up with the pace of the Internet.

Anyway, you made me look it up because I wasn't sure exactly what happened. As far as I can tell, this is what started the Chick-fil-a controversy. I believe this is the full text - http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=38271

In particular, near the end of the interview:

"We are very much supportive of the family -- the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that."

Which I suppose is why you think they need ongoing PR help in the New York Times. My first wife, we won't talk about her! LOL.

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