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How Google is Killing Organic Search

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Re: How Google is Killing Organic Search

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The auction model for ads basically ruins internet searches in transactional categories. If you want to win at the "italian restaurant" search game, you have to bid the highest for the ad, which means you must have the highest margin. The best way to win is to open a restaurant with ridiculously high margins (over priced wine and cheap ingredients). Want the "cheapest car insurance"? Google is zero help. It sends you…

find a company that doesn't advertise, and is non-profit, that way your premium is spent buying insurance

Does economy of scale not apply to insurance?

Re: How Google is Killing Organic Search

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The auction model for ads basically ruins internet searches in transactional categories. If you want to win at the "italian restaurant" search game, you have to bid the highest for the ad, which means you must have the highest margin. The best way to win is to open a restaurant with ridiculously high margins (over priced wine and cheap ingredients). Want the "cheapest car insurance"? Google is zero help. It sends you…

I am happy to see other people finally pointing this one out. I will refine your hypothesis a little. a) It isn't companies with the highest margin who win, but the ones which are able and willing to devote the greatest percentage of revenue to performance driven advertising. If the company has a slim margin to begin with, they will never even be able to start in the "race." b) Education is a better example than car…

"g) This is great news for the next search companies. Google is dependent on their ad revenue to fuel their behemoth enterprise. They are sacrificing their own product in an escalating fashion. (If you use AdBlockPlus you probably never even noticed..)"

This. I sometimes feel like I'm using a different internet than most users.

Re: How Google is Killing Organic Search

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The numbers are somewhat misleading: they don't add up to 100% because whitespace is counted as well (although not displayed). I personally like the whitespace on the results page.

Also the ads on the right side are delineated very liberally - one could argue that the actual area is half as wide.

Re: How Google is Killing Organic Search

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I turned on my television and none of the programs were organic. Instead all the content was controlled by my cable provider. I'm beginning to suspect that they just put on those shows to make money off the advertising. It's rather simple. When you type terms into the search box, just imagine the words, "Please show me advertisements for " in front of it.

of course, but once you get to a point 50 minutes out of every hour is a commercial, and only 10 minutes is an actual TV show... you start to see a breakdown in the whole business model. Perhaps Google has reached the point where they will soon start experiencing a breakdown that forces them to show more 'content' and less 'ads'. However since the general public cant easily tell what links are paid and what are true…

That has always puzzled me - why does pay TV have ads within the programs. I can understand outside the programs to round out to half-hour slots, but handing over money to get shows with ads inside them? I just don't understand why people go for these things.

Re: How Google is Killing Organic Search

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Maybe I'm the weirdo, but I think that's an extremely useful results page. What are you looking for when you search for "sushi" besides (more likely) nearby sushi restaurants or (less likely) information about what sushi is. The screen real estate seems to reflect those two possibilities in what seems to me to be a sensible proportion.

It used to be, when you clicked a link on Google, you left Google to go elsewhere. Now, you search for something like sushi, then go to Google Maps, then see the phone number, then call. I'm not _necessarily_ saying this is bad or unwanted, but it's a vast philosophical and product shift for Google. And it has implications for the trustworthiness and long-term usefulness of Google. I do not welcome a future where Goo…

Data mining? If they have your IP address, they have a decent way to generally locate you... and they obviously have your IP.

Re: How Google is Killing Organic Search

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm the weirdo, but I think that's an extremely useful results page. What are you looking for when you search for "sushi" besides (more likely) nearby sushi restaurants or (less likely) information about what sushi is. The screen real estate seems to reflect those two possibilities in what seems to me to be a sensible proportion.

It used to be, when you clicked a link on Google, you left Google to go elsewhere. Now, you search for something like sushi, then go to Google Maps, then see the phone number, then call. I'm not _necessarily_ saying this is bad or unwanted, but it's a vast philosophical and product shift for Google. And it has implications for the trustworthiness and long-term usefulness of Google. I do not welcome a future where Goo…

It's not really a philosophical shift at all, but a realization of the types of results Google has always wanted to give. People have this idea that Google always was, and always should be, intended to direct people to web sites, when all along the company has said they want to organize the world's _information_. Web sites just happened to be the easiest thing to do first, but the fact that they bought a mapping company very early on should have been a huge signal where they were going.

From Google's point of view, the question is: If you search for "sushi" are you more likely to mean "nearby sushi restaurants" or "a website that lists nearby restaurants"? Which results get you closest to your goal the fastest? Depending on your answer showing local results is absolutely the right thing to do for the user.

Re: How Google is Killing Organic Search

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It's not pointless if you are looking for a place to eat sushi. You're performing a hypothetical search for something that you aren't actually looking for and then calling the results pointless.

Google can pinpoint your location very accurately, and they are usually quite agressive in promoting local results (including for tech queries, which is a pretty bad idea), yet they ask people in Poland: "In which US city are you ?". I find that quite funny, to be honest.

In Australia get the same search results as you, but there's no 'local search' section. I'm logged into google in FF

In chrome, with no login, I get a different set of results, including some local restaurants. Curious.

Re: How Google is Killing Organic Search

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The issue there is that the "organic" results you're talking about that show in either the map or the carousel aren't organic at all - they're google local listings. As a restaurant, you are now incentivized to a) buy ads to get traffic from the ad units b) give google data (effectively building a whole other website) through google+/local. You are very much being de-incentivized from investing in a page that is outs…

I find this interesting. I didn't think of Google local listing as not organic but I did the search in the article[1] and sure enough it takes a lot of the real estate. Perhaps, Google could publish a standard way to write your own self-hosted Places page? We will still have questions on how the ranking will work and whether Google will prioritize its own Google+ place pages over self-hosted place pages but I think t…

Well, thereby hangs a tale. But the short answer is that, by and large, Google seems to be aggressively uninterested in scraping that kind of structured/semantic data from the public Web. In fact it even seems to have been active in trying to prevent that kind of data from finding its way into webpages at all: remember the arcane but nasty scrap about metadata in HTML5? Well, this is what that was all about.

Re: How Google is Killing Organic Search

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am happy to see other people finally pointing this one out. I will refine your hypothesis a little. a) It isn't companies with the highest margin who win, but the ones which are able and willing to devote the greatest percentage of revenue to performance driven advertising. If the company has a slim margin to begin with, they will never even be able to start in the "race." b) Education is a better example than car…

It is worth pointing out that Google is internally very aware of this situation. They have attempted to do what is best for users on several high value searches such as "Mortgage Refinance". At one point they had a fixed fee comparison widget, that would actually suggest banks with the lowest rates. Unfortunately all these attempts were killed, because it is so much more valuable to sell an ad to a shady comparison s…

My assumption & opinion is they know exactly what they are doing. I assume every decision has firm logic & metrics to back it up. However, the very nature of the marketplace is for advertisers to squeeze as much value out of the customer as possible in order to purchase higher visibility. I don't see it as a mistake or a flaw, it is just the end reality of a set of circumstances.

What makes Google's marketplace uniquely challenging is the following: In the physical world, you can go to a store and make a pretty good judgement that the product being sold is real, it is high quality, the cashiers are happy, the (real) customers tell you they have shopped there for years.

Online, everything becomes about human perception of data. It is easier to represent quality when there is none. It is easier to sell a customer one thing and extract a great deal of additional value from them. When that happens, the winner is the one with the most visibility (I think Americans can greatly relate this to US elections.)

Are user reviews and testimonials the solution? Amazon is loaded with fake ones. Many companies exist already to help small business owners "tweak" Yelp reviews. Even when you put a real face behind a review, it can be gamed. A static review will always be quite different than judging something with all of your senses in person.

Load your own site or app up with ads and see what happens to user retention. Prediction based on my own experience: it tanks.

Google is in crises because their behavior tells me their revenue would drop immensely if the result pages had as many ads on them as they did 6 years ago. Google is in crises because the ad revenue is their life blood. They have a massive organization which must have this revenue stream to remain in business.

There is a segment of the market that will click on and respond to bad ads over and over and over again. There is another segment that is more perceptive. There is a whole other segment that doesn't even know any of this has happened because they have used ad blockers for years!

Google might be really good at avoiding the tipping point. I assume that right now they are balancing the flight to mobile with the drop in user retention from "too many ads." Or perhaps I am overestimating the impact of ads, and the real game for Google is making customers think they are just clicking on content.

Some verticals pillage their customers. Many verticals do not, the arms race has not happened for them yet. That is a good thing for Google, and an even better thing for Google's users.

Google can control what they do, however with every step they take in the "show more ads" direction, the opportunity for someone else gets that much bigger.

As pointed out in the original article, in some result pages 90% of above the fold is ads. Would you watch Game of Thrones if it was 54 minutes of ads and 6 minutes of content? I wouldn't.

Re: How Google is Killing Organic Search

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On desktop, set http://duckduckgo.com as your search provider. Problem Solved. Even when I !g to see google results, I see 100% organic results because I have Adblock Plus plugin installed on firefox. Problem Solved. Make sure you have 'Hide placeholders of blocked elements' option enabled, otherwise AdBlock will show a blank rectangle where the ads used to be.

You're not getting 100% organic results because the author is using screen space as the measure, not returned results (and apparently a custom map doesn't count as an 'organic result'). White space at the sides of ddg? Doesn't count. ddg UI bar at the top? Doesn't count.
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