Can I cut out the middle-man and just use the NSA as my cloud provider?
Don't worry - you already are.
And when I have a customer service complaint, I can reach them at their e-mail address: anything
US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program
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#132https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4070671 The short answer: You should have already presumed this was happening. Did you really think they'd allow this opportunity to pass them up?
I already presumed this was happening.
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's described for a couple of the cooperating corporations in the article. For example, for Facebook, the analyst goes to a special webpage/site at Facebook, then they simply clicks through a "Yep, this person is a terrorist" EULA and they have full access to Facebook's database (eg. full access to user content). I bet they rejoiced when Facebook Graph opened shop.
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Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program
#134The National Security Agency and the FBI are tapping directly into the central servers and then they're extracting audio, video, photographs, e-mails, documents and connection logs from... Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple. and it gets better Dropbox, the cloud storage and synchronization service, is described as “coming soon.”
How does this stuff work? Would someone at the NSA contact dropbox and ask them to build in a backdoor or are they just able to access whatever the fuck they want and simply do?
From the 2nd page of the article :
“Google cares deeply about the security of our users’ data,” a company spokesman said. “We disclose user data to government in accordance with the law, and we review all such requests carefully. From time to time, people allege that we have created a government ‘back door’ into our systems, but Google does not have a ‘back door’ for the government to access private user data.”
Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's described for a couple of the cooperating corporations in the article. For example, for Facebook, the analyst goes to a special webpage/site at Facebook, then they simply clicks through a "Yep, this person is a terrorist" EULA and they have full access to Facebook's database (eg. full access to user content). I bet they rejoiced when Facebook Graph opened shop.
Bullshit. LE requests to FB simply do not work that way. They can make a request online, which is checked for proper authority, etc. The guidelines FB follows can be viewed at https://www.facebook.com/safety/groups/law/guidelines/ and the idea that FB just randomly hands out full read access to user data is either a paranoid delusion or calculated deception. Maybe you can tell us which one you were aiming for.
He's referring to the linked article, so your personal attack is misdirected.
'With a few clicks and an affirmation that the subject is believed to be engaged in terrorism, espionage or nuclear proliferation, an analyst obtains full access to Facebook’s “extensive search and surveillance capabilities against the variety of online social networking services.”'
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
Funny thing though... if Fox goes after Obama over this, it's tacitly admitting that Bush was evil too. I doubt they'll do that.
That's suggesting that they have even the slightest compulsion to not be hypocritical. I'd expect them to hit him hard on this (and good for them, even if their reasons for doing so might be dishonest).
It's entirely possible to have disliked Obama AND GWB.
Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program
#138What sort of threats does the NSA give to these companies so they participated without any leaks? Just curious what the penalty would be if the NSA approached me about sucking down my user data and I refused.
How does any government action work? It may start clever and/or subtle, but the fundamental threat is that of violence. You will either be compelled to pay fines, have your equipment confiscated, be thrown in jail, or some combination of the three.
Voluntaryist? :)
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#139I'm saddened to see Dropbox on the list. Did they choose to participate or is it mandatory? In any case, we've moved several projects to BTSync recently from Dropbox (for no other reason than to free up space on Dropbox for our personal files) and have been enjoying the service. As a p2p encrypted protocol, I imagine it's much more difficult to eavesdrop on your files and would actually require a warrant to obtain. I…
Is there an open source dropbox-style app that I can install on my own server?
Git and Sparkleshare offer something that is IMO much close to dropbox than owncloud.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've read somewhere that it's voluntary edit: read it here http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/6/6/4403868/nsa-fbi-mine-dat...
The Verge is just summarizing the Washingon Post; they don't know any more than you would after having read the Post's scoop.
would you prefer this link instead? http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence...