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Re: _why's complete printer spool as one book [pdf]

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[OP here, figured it might be helpful to actually create an account...] In that case, could you please name a few artists that you believe did exactly that? I'm honestly interested in finding more of such art. But before you do, let me rephrase what I wrote above, because it's easy to misunderstand one short sentence (and I'm definitely guilty of not explaining very well what I mean): When I talk about art around and…

The Perl community has always had a large artist component. Perl Golf is an artistic endeavor. Perl Poetry is a real thing. The UNIX community has a similar artistic component. It's built into the genes of the thing, really. There is humor, beauty, politics, and more, in the UNIX tradition. The free unices, in particular, have always been about a love of the process and a celebration of human expression. _why took it…

Damian Conway may be an example of a virtuoso of the form. His diversionary works[1] have no practical value, but explore the corners of what can be done with Perl, and do so in a way that delights, inspires, and encourages reflection. It's his mastery of the tool that allows him to express his cleverness and wit as art.

HAKMEM contains many other examples of original thought around the pulchritudinous value of code in itself, and not just via its result.

[1] For example, Acme::Bleach and Lingua::Romana::Perligata, found on http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/

Re: _why's complete printer spool as one book [pdf]

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It is easy to see _why as "the crazy ruby guy who wrote some scripts and created all this drama around his persona". Even though _why did indeed write some (very useful) programs, I think this view of him misses the point and probably explains why so many people seem to be puzzled by his newest endeavour. Yes, he wrote some Ruby code, but the code was his least important contribution. _why was the first person to act…

> a love and passion for coding as a recreational activity that defies our conventional beliefs about software as a craft & industry. I must be in the wrong "conventional", but I always thought everyone saw coding/hacking as a past time that they are lucky enough to be able to turn into money as well. Most if not all of top developers are hobbyists first and professionals second.

Many are "failed" mathematicians and physicists (among other pursuits) that were unable to earn a reasonable living in their primary field.

I say "failed" only in that it was surprising to me when I discovered numbers of developers with PhDs (or ABD) in purer fields of reasoned discovery or construction than I would have previously expected to be found writing, say, web application servers in the employ of a company not related to their field of study.

Re: _why's complete printer spool as one book [pdf]

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post #44

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For the record, the poignant guide to Ruby was what made me turn my attention towards Python... everything about it felt "wrong" to me in a way that seemed generalizable to the whole Ruby culture (yeah, this changed for the better in the meantime, and now it's an ok language with a "culture" that doesn't feel so "wrong" for people who think like me).

Can you be more specific about what seemed wrong to you about the culture surrounding ruby? I'm curious.

EDIT: I quickly misread the question and referred mostly to the book, but the same things applied to the "culture" as well

Ok, biting the troll bate and here we go :)...

1. Lack of focus on "just making (cool) stuff" (compare it with "Dive Into Python" and other Python or Perl tutorials) - it didn't feel "hacker/maker spirit" at all

2. Too many words, too little code - I think in code, pictures and occasionally equations: words are ok too, but not when their only purpose is making "opinionated" jokes. And the illustrations literally hurt my brain - I expect nicely crafted images that explain concepts, not weird jokes that have nothing to do with them!

3. Not many interesting concepts - I'm ok with not focusing on making "coll stuff" with a piece of technology you're just learning and with not being "hacker spirited", but if you don't do it this way, at least present interesting mind-opening concepts to the reader (just compare it with "Practical Common Lisp" or a Haskell tutorial - they give you so much tasty mindfood that the style doesn't even matter anymore, they could've been written in the style of a medical research article and still be enjoyable to read). Ruby didn't bring any interesting new concepts to me - it was Smalltalky OOP and the coolness of blocks that could've been just lambdas anyway...

4. Lots of stupid jokes that I didn't find funny at all, and made me feel stupid that maybe there was something I didn't understand but was supposed to, and cultural references that were very "WTF" (I'm European, but I've been pretty well exposed to US culture and I like "american style humor" but this felt like totally from a different planet).

5. This one is subjective don't mean to offend, just to be honest: I hate the whole gay (not necessarily in a sexual way), touchy, feely, friendly way of presenting technical things - I'm more of a "cold British humor", occasional "mildly offensive jokes" and a touch of "mental testosterone" kind of guy (this is the king of attitude that, for example, appeals to me in an aesthetic way: http://programming-motherfucker.com/ )

6. Despite being clear that learning resources like WPGR were opinionated and would only appear to people whose minds work in a certain way, they were recommended to all newbies. I like a culture that doesn't shove opinionated stuff in the face of new guys - first let them find "their own way", then show them the "opinionated ways".

7. There was a "split personality" thing that annoyed me: Ruby as a language appealed to the "hacker spirited" a lot, but the community was pulling in different direction that I couldn't really comprehend - a weird lust for a code-aesthetic-nirvana or something...

Re: _why's complete printer spool as one book [pdf]

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I had to look it up too! Surprisingly "Oprah Jerktoaster" brings back exactly 0 results.

The part where they all end up dead ought to have been a dead giveaway.

I hadn't read that far when I posted the question. Even soo, Oprah's had some pretty wacky guests in her time :)

Re: _why's complete printer spool as one book [pdf]

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Does anyone know what was up with the paypal link a few commits back?

A few people (myself included) tried to use it while it was up and everyone had their payment refunded soon after.

Same thing happened to me. Sent the account $20 and it was refunded about an hour later. I mean, I'm more than happy to support this.

_why could make one hell of a kickstarter, if he wanted to.

Re: _why's complete printer spool as one book [pdf]

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post #20

I emailed _why once, asking him how I should cite his name in a highschool project I was working on. Here is his response: You can use my name (why the lucky stiff) and the date of publication (feb 16, 2004 - present) as frequently in your studies as you wish, so long as you keep your grade point average up and you diversify your elective credits with a broad portfolio of subjects. I am specifically hoping you will b…

All the time I was reading this I was thinking of Daniil Kharms. The Desert of Forbidden Art also comes to mind... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1536458/

I don't know why but I feel some kind of kinship to _why. And would it be just "us hackers" as a group that have any hope of "getting it"? Are we all alike in this sense? Wouldn't we all find ourselves at home reading Knut Hamsun or Jaroslav Hasek? Aren't we all freaks when we follow ourselves down the rabbit hole? I find comfort in knowing that I'm not alone and that other people are, still, similarly lost.

Re: _why's complete printer spool as one book [pdf]

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This could be just the first part--remember that the last page was called NOTYET and shows a hand covering a handwritten journal page, implying that the story of why's escape from the Jobsians (which you can barely make out between his fingers) will be published in the future.

The Jobsians thing is brilliant. I was laughing all the time as I was reading that part. If you've noticed they also only have 3 fingers, like chickens.
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