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Post by [deleted] »

menloparkbum wrote: post #109
time_management wrote: post #106

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I'm glad to see that you've resorted to personal attacks. Perhaps it's because you secretly know that you're doing something wrong, and I'm striking a nerve. If it matters, I actually have had a fairly satisfying love life. However, I've never saw fit to fill my single spells with the heartless and self-serving debasement of women. Not that my personal life is any of your business, but I thought you should know. Your…

I've never saw fit to fill my single spells with the heartless and self-serving debasement of women. Groan. Your stupid off-topic comments about this are really messing up my /newcomments page. Has anyone made a HN killfile greasemonkey type thing for kooks like you? I do have one bit of advice... You could drive your camaro from Long Island down to Alabama, and hang out in the parking lot of the high schools where t…

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Post by ahoyhere »

time_management wrote: post #106
sho wrote: post #103

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You definitely could convince me, if there was any substance to what you said. I'm highly rational and you can find numerous examples of me swallowing my pride and conceding a point. You offer nothing, though, except mere opinions. Since it's you who seeks to impose guidelines on others' behaviour, the onus is upon you to justify your claims. Quality of experience matters a lot more than quantity. Do you ever get the…

I'm glad to see that you've resorted to personal attacks. Perhaps it's because you secretly know that you're doing something wrong, and I'm striking a nerve. If it matters, I actually have had a fairly satisfying love life. However, I've never saw fit to fill my single spells with the heartless and self-serving debasement of women. Not that my personal life is any of your business, but I thought you should know. Your…

> I've never saw fit to fill my single spells with the heartless and self-serving debasement of women.

You mean like posting about how, if they've had sex with a number of casual partners, their vaginas are "stretched out"? (Like you wrote above?)

I bet that feels debasing to a lot of women.

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Post by time_management »

ahoyhere wrote: post #129
time_management wrote: post #100

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Why do you think I'm "afraid of women"? The fact is that, if a woman's had a lot of casual sex, she's developed a taste for variety and you have no hope of being her ideal man. When you're in bed with her, she's wishing you had Biff's abs, Jethro's penis girth, and the "roughness" of that club promoter whose name she's forgotten. So she's likely to cheat after a while in search of those traits, and even if she doesn'…

> But that's what it takes to please a woman who's had 20 partners, because she's taken a lot of huge dicks and is "stretched out". I haven't heard anything so ludicrous since I used to frequent teen sex ed forums (to dispense advice) at 14. Gentlemen, the true character of this discussion, revealed.

What the hell kind of fucked-up childhood did you have that rendered you qualified to dispense sex-ed advice at 14? Don't answer this. I really don't want to know.

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Post by ahoyhere »

time_management wrote: post #133
ahoyhere wrote: post #129

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> But that's what it takes to please a woman who's had 20 partners, because she's taken a lot of huge dicks and is "stretched out". I haven't heard anything so ludicrous since I used to frequent teen sex ed forums (to dispense advice) at 14. Gentlemen, the true character of this discussion, revealed.

What the hell kind of fucked-up childhood did you have that rendered you qualified to dispense sex-ed advice at 14? Don't answer this. I really don't want to know.

I had good, consexual sex with another teenager.

And unlike the other young people on the forum, I read a lot of scientific books, so I was able to counter such idiotic, voodoo-type teenaged beliefs such as "stretched out" vaginas.

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Post by sho »

time_management wrote: post #130
sho wrote: post #126

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So let me get this straight. A woman who's had experience with better men than yourself isn't satisfied with your "assets", or lack of them, anymore. So you wish that women wouldn't shop around, that way they wouldn't know there was something better out there. Sound about right?

It's not about "better" or "worse". It's about the fact that a woman who's been with too many guys starts wanting to "have it all", even on traits that are contradictory (e.g. she wants the brutish alpha and the sensitive guy, even though they never occur in the same person) and can never be satisfied by one man, no matter how good he is.

So, if no man can satisfy her, why are you worried? She'll be back if you turn out to be the best for her, after all.

Just sounds like your whole strategy for winning the beautiful babies is to deny them the information they need to make an informed decision.

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Post by lalaca »

time_management wrote: post #37
knowtheory wrote: post #30

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Wow. Misogyny alert on top of inductive reasoning fail. While i, myself, am married to a wonderful Canadian, i know quite a number of wonderful American girls of a wide variety of dispositions, and even geekiness, whose relationships are not fundamentally based on selfishness. To be honest, having read through your comments on this thread, i have to question this whole endeavor. If your main concern is having a relat…

I know a number of wonderful American girls as well. Three-quarters of them, for what it's worth, weren't born here or are second-generation immigrants. The problem is not that there are no decent American women. Obviously there are. The problem is that there are few of them, which means that the competition's pretty fierce. I think the problem is that we live in a society that provides financial incentives for women…

> I know a number of wonderful American girls as well. Three-quarters of them, for what it's worth, weren't born here or are second-generation immigrants.

You have a point here. What I found (in general) is that if a generation is poor they will generally be hard-working. That generation and their children will generally have good qualities. But if a few generations are fairly well off they will start getting bad qualities – people start to think that they are entitled to everything and do not have to work for it.

In a few years you get the situation that kids drive to school in their cars, watch Paris Hilton programs and start to have sex at 14.

As an example: my father was fairly poor. I doubt that today there are many of couples who will stick together through thick and (mostly) thin like they did.

As for feminism – it is a good idea, but the pendulum swung too far to the one side.

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Post by time_management »

sho wrote: post #128
time_management wrote: post #122

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False. People don't have drunken hookups because they love each other. They do it because the alcohol has obliterated what little self-control they had in the first place.

You're misanthropic, you know that? People are not sex-crazed, ravenous beasts out to rape each other to death the instant the gate drops. Maybe the reason people go out and get drunk together is because they love people, love others, love the world. They sleep with each other; express that love personally - sometimes it ends up lasting a lifetime; sometimes, like a sakura blossom, it falls away. This is what people…

People are not sex-crazed, ravenous beasts out to rape each other to death the instant the gate drops.

Not all, but I'm just going to say that, if I had kids, I wouldn't let them anywhere near you.

Why would anyone want to control such a joyous thing?

Casual sex does lasting emotional harm to most people who participate. Stop trying to sell it as joyous just because it would suit you better if college freshmen fell more easily to cheesy lines about sakura blossoms.

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Post by yters »

endtime wrote: post #88
petercooper wrote: post #77

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Logical fallacy. That's not what the quote you used states. The quote states that "people with quality X tend to not do Y." This does not automatically mean "people without quality X always do Y."

Err, I don't think so. What I quoted said "People who are X do not do Y". The contrapositive of that is "People who do Y are not X". And I disagree, because I know people who do Y and are X.

You are conflating quantifiers here. "Pretty much universally" is not a universal quantifier, it implies "there exists people who do Y who are X." So, your example of "there exists people who do Y who are X" doesn't contradict the original statement.

time_management says "in my experience" so unless you can produce a universal quantifier for your claim, or do some sort of analysis to define cardinality, you can't invalidate what he said.

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Post by jhancock »

lalaca wrote: post #120
jhancock wrote: post #99

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These are tough topics. I'm not sure you will find answers here as each has to find comfort on these issues within themselves. You clearly feel that sexual history is highly correlated to moral character. This is a common position. Its not that you may be wrong (neither position can be proven) but more importantly if that's how you "feel" then you know what kind of woman to exclude from your search. Its great to find…

> Please be careful though to not brand people as immoral simply because their past is different than yours. > From my perspective, I do not find a strong correlation between "sexual history" and "morality". I doubt that your definition of “niceness” is right. Morals (to me at least) is the basic rules that you live your life by – so it is inherently a personal concept. So whatever morals you live by – he may live by…

Good thoughts lalaca. I'm part of the over 40 crowd here on HN ;). I was raised with strong conservative and religious values and still hold on to most of them.

My words to the OP were mostly about understanding that his values are personal to him and his needs are about compatibility. I asked him to worry more about "compatibility" than morals.

I agree, I feel pendulum has swung too much the other direction in the last 30 years. Does this mean that all the children growing up now have less an inherit ability to know right from wrong just because they may have had more sexual partners than someone of a prior generation?

For what its worth, I find that most women, regardless of their past, are more likely to not stray when in a committed relationship as opposed to men in a comparable situation. Also, women usually stray for different reasons than men.

I do not agree with the view that "you have to get laid in high school". But the environment, as it is, makes it such that those who do not feel very strongly about other's sexual past. Its a complex set of problems.

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Post by lalaca »

knowtheory wrote: post #60
time_management wrote: post #48

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My adversity is toward a culture ( Sex and the City ) that encourages women to be selfish, oversexed, mean-spirited, uncultured, and unladylike, even when such behavior is usually against their own interests. I don't consider it sexism because I don't believe that there's any intrinsic reason to consider one gender "better" than the other. Unfortunately, though, there's a lot of rot in our popular culture with regard…

And if it happens on television it clearly is indicative of real life? "Friends" also happened on TV, in New York, and i'd say it's got a decidedly different view of the world and relationships (and it was certainly at least as popular as Sex and the City, if not more so). And the problem is not whether it's intrinsic or learned behavior. You are ascribing things that are questionably true in the extreme to people wh…

> Pop culture certainly has some influence on the real world, but i'm afraid you are either very shallow, or very naive if you're buying your world view from a television show (or in opposition to it).

Pop-culture is basically mainstream culture. I do not even live in the USA - yet you exported your "culture" so effectively. Most places around the world are becoming "little americas" - based on your culture. If you think about it - pop culture has more influence than anything else. Even if a person goes to a church (or other religious institution) he will only spend about an hour a week there. TV? Most people spends 7+ hours a week in front of a TV.

I view the country in which I live as 10 years behind the USA as far as social issues goes. This is mainly because it was a very closed society.

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